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Re: 47J Stopped on a Restricted bus stop or stand
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2025, 03:16:15 pm »
@cp8759

Thank you and the rest of the gang here. This seems to me the way forward. I have in the meanwhile replied to Bromley council stating the TFL handbook for drivers and that as a private hire we are allowed to pick and drop customers as long as we do not continue on the bus lane after pick up or drop off. I have also included evidence of my private hire vehicle license and my TFL licence to drive a private hire vehicle. I also spoke to a representative at the council and they advised me to sent in the evidence. They said once they see the evidence they will reply appropriately.


I personally do not have any faith in them and expect them to simply decline the appeal without even looking at the evidence.

Now should I sent in another email with the wordings regarding the sign being not visible at the front of the bus lane? or should I wait for a rejection and then sent in this email?


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Re: 47J Stopped on a Restricted bus stop or stand
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2025, 03:21:24 pm »
@Incandescent

Thank you very much.

The (Mathew Mathai vs.....) case is exactly the same situation as mine here.

When I reply to the council do I mention this case for reference or wait for the next stage and use this at the court?


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Re: 47J Stopped on a Restricted bus stop or stand
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2025, 03:22:54 pm »
@highspiritz send another representation now based on my draft if the Bromley website allows you to do so.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor nor a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193.

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Re: 47J Stopped on a Restricted bus stop or stand
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2025, 03:36:51 pm »
I have in the meanwhile replied to Bromley council stating the TFL handbook for drivers and that as a private hire we are allowed to pick and drop customers as long as we do not continue on the bus lane after pick up or drop off.

You are confusing bus lanes with bus stops. You are not allowed to stop on a bus stop clearway as the handbook states:

You must:

Not stop at 'bus stop clearways' marked with a wide yellow line by the kerb. On red
routes, you cannot stop at bus stops marked with a wide red line by the kerb. You
should try not to stop at other red route bus stops to avoid delaying or obstructing
buses


https://content.tfl.gov.uk/phv-driver-handbook-v1.pdf

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Re: 47J Stopped on a Restricted bus stop or stand
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2025, 05:35:21 pm »
@cp8759

I just sent them another appeal online as it allowed me to do so.

Thanks once again.
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Re: 47J Stopped on a Restricted bus stop or stand
« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2025, 02:30:40 pm »
Chaps, just something to be aware of - the PCN refers to Bus Stop T, whilst all the streetview links that have been added to this thread are of Bus Stop U.

Stop T is over the road outside Boots.
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Re: 47J Stopped on a Restricted bus stop or stand
« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2025, 12:19:14 pm »
@cp8759 @CITR

I have not received a reply as of yet from Bromley. Is this normal? Should I make contact with them on the phone? Or ignore any contact until they reply?

Bus Stop T it is.

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Re: 47J Stopped on a Restricted bus stop or stand
« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2025, 12:23:19 pm »
Chaps, just something to be aware of - the PCN refers to Bus Stop T, whilst all the streetview links that have been added to this thread are of Bus Stop U.

Stop T is over the road outside Boots.

Thanks for the update. I am of the understanding that this should still not change the challenge. I will however go and check bus stop T and update here. If my memory is correct the bus stop T also is long and have no signs until the very end where the actual bus stop shelter is located.


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Re: 47J Stopped on a Restricted bus stop or stand
« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2025, 03:23:38 pm »
I have not received a reply as of yet from Bromley. Is this normal? Should I make contact with them on the phone? Or ignore any contact until they reply?
The outstanding penalty is showing as £55, this suggests a Notice of Rejection has been issued. If it doesn't come in Monday's post contact the council and ask them to email you a copy.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor nor a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193.

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Re: 47J Stopped on a Restricted bus stop or stand
« Reply #24 on: January 28, 2025, 11:03:14 pm »
@cp8759

Will do that. What do we do next? Take them to court? And face them?

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Re: 47J Stopped on a Restricted bus stop or stand
« Reply #25 on: January 28, 2025, 11:38:55 pm »
There is no court, the next step would be an appeal to London Tribunals but first we need to know if a Notice of Rejection exists.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor nor a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193.

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Re: 47J Stopped on a Restricted bus stop or stand
« Reply #26 on: January 29, 2025, 12:21:02 pm »
@cp8759
Yes just as you mentioned it was here on Monday but dated 23/01/2025.
14 days to pay from 23/01/2025. £55
Letter attached below from Bromley.


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Re: 47J Stopped on a Restricted bus stop or stand
« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2025, 09:40:02 pm »
The next step is the tribunal, I'll drop you a PM in case you'd like me to represent you.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor nor a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193.

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Re: 47J Stopped on a Restricted bus stop or stand
« Reply #28 on: February 04, 2025, 12:19:05 pm »
@cp8759

Just to confirm we are going to the tribunal on the basis of no visible signage as a defence.
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Re: 47J Stopped on a Restricted bus stop or stand
« Reply #29 on: February 04, 2025, 10:25:54 pm »
Best of luck, let us know how you get on.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor nor a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order