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Hi all

This road seems to be making bucks for Lambeth for the amount of people being fined here. It’s ridiculous!

It’s saying I didn’t give way but there was a gap where I took to go ahead. The vehicle approaching didn’t even stop for me and so they had way to go forward with ease.

Do you agree I’m in the wrong? If not, what can I say to avoid the fine?

To view the images/video please click
https://pcnevidence.lambeth.gov.uk/pcnonline/index.php

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Re: 37j failing to give way to oncoming vehicles
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Please post all the PCN and screenshot what the payment page says on their website.
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

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Re: 37j failing to give way to oncoming vehicles
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Edit the title to include Salter's Hill.

I don't think an adjudicator will find for you but it's clear the oncoming car was going fast and you moved out before it had got to the speed bump.

We've seen scores of these and some are marginal and in those cases you usually win.

Maybe something with Lambeth's PCN/website wording.



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Re: 37j failing to give way to oncoming vehicles
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We have won all cases v Lambeth on their website threats.
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: 37j failing to give way to oncoming vehicles
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Are you saying I have a good case and that the adjudicator will agree with me?
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Re: 37j failing to give way to oncoming vehicles
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No, Hippocrates has a good case.

IMO, yours is, shall we say, flimsy!
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Re: 37j failing to give way to oncoming vehicles
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Filmsy how? The CCTV footage clearly shows that I:
   •   Stopped at the junction and assessed oncoming traffic as required by the signage.
   •   Entered the restricted section only when a safe gap existed.
   •   Did not cause the oncoming vehicle to stop, reverse, or be impeded in any meaningful way.

The oncoming vehicle maintained its right of way and proceeded cautiously, without yielding. This demonstrates that I complied with both the intent and practical application of the give-way rule.
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Re: 37j failing to give way to oncoming vehicles
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Carry on then.

The CCTV shows that you crossed the white line at the Priority against you sign at the same time as another vehicle reached the corresponding Priority for sign.

Your argument is based upon you fitting into a space by the island at which point you weren't in the traffic lane of the car travelling towards you.

Unfortunately, this is not what the combination of sign and line means.

But you are free to argue the contrary at adjudication.
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