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34J Kingston upon Thames Eden St Bus lane PCN
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Hi all,

To give context, I was driving to Kingston on the morning of Sunday 22 October to take part in the Kingston Half Marathon. My first half marathon. I was obviously already nervous, but had planned my route and intended to turn into St James Road, after travelling down Kingston Hall road to get to Eden Walk carpark where I had already pre purchased carparking through discounted rates for runners in the race.

I turn into St James road to find it is completely blocked off about 1 quarter way down with construction works meaning I couldn't proceed and had to turn around and go back. I do this and sit at a traffic light for what must have been over 4 minutes before realising it was faulty. Now having wasted over 5 minutes of time and getting close to the 1 hour pre race cut off to get race packs/bag drop/use toilet etc I was getting anxious so made the call to drive through the light as there was no other way of getting out of this road.
My sat nav redirects and I drive through the back way along Eden Street to finally reach the carpark.
I thought nothing more of it until I receive this PCN. Having grown up and driven in London for 20 years I am generally very good at spotting bus lanes and adhering to the rules. So was really surprised to see this.

My thoughts are- I faced two obstacles nearby preventing me from following my planned, set route with construction work completely blocking both sides of an entire through road and then the traffic light issue. Upon looking at the bus lane, I can see the lane coloration is very faded so at the start of the bus lane which I entered- the dark red colour had all but faded. The actual written signage on the road has also been repainted over at least once, making the current words less clear against old faded words.
I truly feel it was because of this, it was not immediately clear to me it was a bus lane as at the start, it was predominantly the grey concrete road colour not red.

I would be so grateful for any further thoughts on this. Thankyou.




« Last Edit: November 14, 2023, 06:29:48 pm by cp8759 »

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Re: 34J Kingston upon Thames Eden St Bus lane PCN
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They are completely incompetent.  Having changed the wording to correctly state the time periods, they have now added two grounds which are irrelevant.

Dear Sirs

Ref;  PCN.......VRM..................

The PCN includes two grounds which do not belong to this legislation  which renders it a nullity.  Therefore, this departure from the statutory scheme means that the alleged contravention did not occur.  Please cancel the PCN forthwith.

Yours

Name

Address

IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: 34J Kingston upon Thames Eden St Bus lane PCN
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Hi Hippocrates thankyou so much! I am clearly an idiot but can't see where they mention the VRM - which section of the letter is this please?

Do you think I should simply reply with what you put or also include, had it been a valid PCN my points of appeal too? Or just leave what you wrote? Thankyou, thankyou

Re: 34J Kingston upon Thames Eden St Bus lane PCN
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http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=145245&pid=1797997&mode=threaded&start=400#entry1797997

I will PM you on this site too.  I will draft a full reply later today to incorporate all points.  VRM- reg. no.

If I represent you now, this should go away fast.  Please see my PM.
« Last Edit: November 10, 2023, 10:31:10 am by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: 34J Kingston upon Thames Eden St Bus lane PCN
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Challenge sorted.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
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Re: 34J Kingston upon Thames Eden St Bus lane PCN
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Cancelled! Feast your eyes on this:  :D  ;D  :o  :-\  ::)

1. The header: London Local Authorities and Transport for London Act 2003.
2. Formal Notice of Acceptance.
3. The Representations have been considered by this office in accordance with the requirements of the London Local Authorities Act 1996.  After full consideration of the issues raised by your Representation and all other circumstances relating to the issue of the Penalty Charge Notice I have to advise you that the representation has been unsuccessful.  This Notice is issued as a formal Notice of Rejection under Schedule 1 of the 1996 Act.
4. I have noted the points in the correspondence and can confirm that due to a technical error there was a brief period of time when the bus lane PCN contained additional grounds upon which to appeal a PCN of this type.
5. In our opinion these small irregularities would not affect a person’s ability to either challenge the validity of the PCN or make payment if they feel they are liable.  We have, however, decided on this occasion to use our discretion and waive the PCN.  No further action is required.

I achieved costs v Havering in two cases because of the council's wholly unreasonable conduct in resisting the appeals. 2230439332 and 2230533614. Both councils have now corrected their errors.  But, check the paperwork in case they include the extra grounds.
« Last Edit: January 26, 2024, 09:11:33 pm by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r