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Re: 34J being in a bus lane - longbridge road (barking) PCN
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What will the process be from the enforcement action?

Is it highly likely to succeed?

thanks

Re: 34J being in a bus lane - longbridge road (barking) PCN
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What will the process be from the enforcement action?

Is it highly likely to succeed?

thanks

https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/eat/understanding-enforcement-process/bus-lane-pcn-enforcement-process

I haven't lost a bus lane case in the last 4 years. It depends what they say in a NOR and whether they turn up or not to answer questions abut the camera etc.  Hence my petition below. If I require them to attend, they must or they lose.* Also, their evidence must be crystal clean. In the cases won, this has not been so.

*
https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/petition-to-align-the-llaa-2003-to-the-llaa-1996-(right-to-x-council-witnesses)/msg51250/#msg51250
« Last Edit: March 13, 2025, 10:42:15 am by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: 34J being in a bus lane - longbridge road (barking) PCN
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I received this letter today but there hasn't been anything before this. I thought I'd have a court letter or something to state my case?? Any ideas what's going on. Since my last post this was the last thing I received

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Re: 34J being in a bus lane - longbridge road (barking) PCN
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Did you get in touch with @Hippocrates ?

The process is outlined here
https://www.ftla.uk/announcements/charge-certificates-london-local-authorities-and-tfl-act-2003-london-l-1805/

You are missing a Notice of Rejectiopn (NoR)

You need to go to TfLs site and check the status/history of this PCN.

Re: 34J being in a bus lane - longbridge road (barking) PCN
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Did you receive an Enforcement Notice?
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: 34J being in a bus lane - longbridge road (barking) PCN
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I did not receive an enforcement notice or notice of rejection

Re: 34J being in a bus lane - longbridge road (barking) PCN
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Then wait for the Order for Recovery and PE3 form and tick the first box and get it signed in front of a witness.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: 34J being in a bus lane - longbridge road (barking) PCN
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I am still waiting for a Order for Recovery and PE3 form

Today I have recieved a outstanding payment reminder which states full payment within 7 days of the letter upon checking the date it states the letter was printed on the 23rd of May 2025 but today is 17th June 2025.

Am I still ignoring and waiting for the order for recovery and pe3 will bailifs come before this or not?

Is there a court process to follow ?

Thank appreciate everyone's time

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Re: 34J being in a bus lane - longbridge road (barking) PCN
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Letters like this are close to, or actually are, unlawful. They are not part of the enforcement process nor are they lawful enforcement documents. The letter is also extemely disingenuous, because the Traffic Enforcement Centre *TEC), is not a county court in the normal sense, it is a legal construct, and is part of the decriminalised legal structure originally set up in 1991. They have no court rooms or judges, only court officers who process the PCN registrations, and receive and process Statutory Declarations or Witness Statements soley related to parking and traffic contraventions. SO this letter is, in my view, unlawful intimidation.

The council cannot instruct bailiffs until they have registered the PCN at TEC, andsent you an Order for Recovery, accompanied by the form for submitting a Statutory Declaration. Only after 21 days without either payment or submission of an SD, can they instruct bailiffs


Re: 34J being in a bus lane - longbridge road (barking) PCN
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Hi all, quick update on my situation:

Since my last post on 17 June 2025, I hadn’t received anything further from Barking & Dagenham or TEC. No Order for Recovery, no PE3/TE9 form — nothing.

However, this week I have suddenly received enforcement letters from CDER Group:

1️⃣ Notice of Enforcement
 • Dated 24/11/2025
 • Debt: £205
 • Compliance fee: £75
 • Total: £280

2️⃣ Notice of Enforcement Reminder
 • Dated 03/12/2025
 • Total still £280

These are the first things I’ve received since that “Outstanding Payment Reminder” back in June.

The enforcement letters have just appeared now with bailiff action threatened.

Please could someone advise what my next step should be? Do I now need to apply to TEC for a statutory declaration (TE9) on the basis that the Enforcement Notice / OfR were not received?

Thanks again for helping me through this — much appreciated.


Re: 34J being in a bus lane - longbridge road (barking) PCN
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So the only two letters you've had are the PCN and I guess a charge certificate? Our usual advice is to monitor TEC for the order for recovery to avoid the situation you are now in.

So:

Are the name and address correct on the PCN and charge certificate?

Have you moved or had post problems?

It seems you are missing:

Rejection to first stage challenge
Council enforcement notice
Order for recovery

We advise paying the bailiff at this stage as a visit adds £235. You can try and get this reset.

Re: 34J being in a bus lane - longbridge road (barking) PCN
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In order for B & D to instruct bailiffs, they must first register the debt and send you an Order for Recovery, sent to the same address as used for all the previous enforcement documents. I suggest as a matter of urgency you contact B & D to find out when they sent out an OfR to you.

Also contact TEC to find out when the PCN was registered. Haave you not been contacting TEC since the Charge Certificate payment period expired to find out if the PCN was registered or not ?

AS it's a London bus lane offence, you will need to submit  PE2 and PE3 forms.  To get the bailiffs off your back and avoid the £235 visit fee, we normally advise that you pay them. Paying the bailiffs has no effect on your PE2 and PE3

I should also mention that B & D's admin seems to be in chaos at the moment, and I suspect they have acted unlawfully and not sent you an OfR.
« Last Edit: December 09, 2025, 11:18:41 pm by Incandescent »

Re: 34J being in a bus lane - longbridge road (barking) PCN
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Thanks all for responding — here are the answers to your questions:

✔ Address on the PCN was correct
✔ I have not moved
✔ No post issues that I’m aware of

To confirm clearly — the ONLY documents I received before the CDER enforcement letters were:

1️⃣ The original PCN
2️⃣ The council’s rejection letter to my informal challenge
(Nothing else at all)

I definitely did not receive:

Enforcement Notice

Notice of Rejection of formal reps

Charge Certificate

Order for Recovery
(or any PE2/PE3 paperwork)


So the CDER enforcement letters were the very first indication that the penalty had moved to enforcement.

Happy to contact TEC and Barking & Dagenham as advised — please can you confirm the exact wording I should use when calling TEC?

And as for bailiffs — should I be paying the £280 now to stop any visit while the PE2/PE3 process takes place?

Thanks again everyone — appreciate your help while I try to untangle this mess!

Re: 34J being in a bus lane - longbridge road (barking) PCN
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I’ve now emailed Barking & Dagenham asking when (if at all) an Order for Recovery was issued, the address it was sent to, and when the debt was registered with TEC.

I’ve also emailed TEC asking them to confirm whether the PCN was registered and whether an Order for Recovery was authorised/issued.

TEC were closed when I emailed, so I will call them tomorrow to confirm by phone.

For clarity: my address is correct, I haven’t moved, and I did not receive an Enforcement Notice, Notice of Rejection, Charge Certificate or Order for Recovery. The CDER letters are the first indication enforcement had progressed.

Will update once I have responses.

Thanks
« Last Edit: December 16, 2025, 08:24:23 pm by D23 »