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Hey everyone,

I’m back with another PCN on the same bay, but this time with a different Contravention code: 12 and now 27. The writing on the gates and the black lines painted over the white lines were all done while the car was parked. If you check the GSV, you’ll see bays without any warning signs on the gates. Also, if this wasn’t a bay, why did I get a code 12 before? Newham doesn’t even know who painted the lines black.

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I did challenge it and reply is here
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Please post a GSV link, rather than screen captures.  You parked by a dropped kerb giving access. However, if the bay is still a bay, this trumps the dropped kerb. But the bay markings seem to have been painted over, so you need clarification on the status of this bay. If Merton consider it is still a bay, then the PCN is void, simple.
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Newham said in the reply I am unable to verify if the council painted the walls or not, however, the markings next to your vehicle looks like it has been blacked out and therefore you cannot park
there. In conclusion,

Also that has been a bay for about 6yrs
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OK, so here is the latest GSV view dated April 2022 : -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/rqKBtof6uM2mkGDo9
As one can see it is a single bay not subdivided. So anybody then could park in front of those gates because they would be in a marked parking bay.
However, if one looks at your first photo, (IMG 2626), one can see a clearly marked bay for a single vehicle, and the markings adjacent to the gates are painted out by black paint, but that has partly worn away. Then looking at IMG 2629, the new bay markings are also clearly shown, and again the markings adjacent to the gates are painted out but partly worn away.

This is clearly the work of the council, and a rather botched job has been done, in that the white markings have merely been painted over, rather than burnt off. Over time, the black paint has worn off, thus exposing the markings once again.

So you could take them to London Tribunals on the basis that you parked in a marked bay. The council must then prove that the bay was re-arranged to allow the dropped kerb to remain free.
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This is the man painting the lines from white to black, also waiting near the van is the CEO

https://postimg.cc/30gzPGCR
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Also you can see a blanket on the drivers side of the bonnet they placed to stop paint splashing
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After the car was parked.

Pl get away from this for the moment...

OP, you need to revisit.

As suggested by others, what might have happened is that having realised that their parking place obstructed the vehicle crossover they've attempted to remove the offending length.

But this cannot be done just by removing markings, the length must be removed by law i.e. the Traffic Management Order amended. If not, then what you have is a designated parking place with improper road markings!

Also, as such a change would create two separate parking places both would need to have their own traffic signs.

Pl return and get pics of the traffic signs in this length of street - photos which show context, not just close-up.

Also, we have members who can see whether the current traffweb for Newham shows this to be a single parking place or not.
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Pictures of the whole street or just that section?
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Take picture of the whole bay length - now probably two bays - and any parking signs.

We don't have access to Newham's traffweb. I can't see an order for removing part of the bay in the Gazette, only one for a space outside no 4 on the other side of the road.

The bay parking sign disappeared at some point and wasn't there in 2022.
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Not sure if I’m doing this right,

https://postimg.cc/gallery/YQ6BD0B
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Are there any parking signs - upright residents bay parking signs - by the two bays. Look out if you are using these bays - do you have a permit?

It looks rather amateurish and that the resident has got over-involved.

I can't see you losing this given the picture of lines being painted out around your car. Also the pics from the other PCN are also clear it was a continuous parking bay.
« Last Edit: March 11, 2025, 02:03:26 pm by stamfordman »
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There’s no signs, Iv got an ongoing dispute over the same bay that mrmustard has kindly offered to help me with and that 1 is Contravention code: 12, I don’t have a permit because we didn’t need it for those bays, until CEO decided we did
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On 6 March I asked Traffic Orders at Newham to send me the traffic order for the entire length of bay and queried whether it has recently been changed to two bays with a gap.

The answer to that will help.

An amazing co-incidence that the spray paint on the gates and the bay were painted on the same day, wink. Also, the transverse line should not be solid from the edge of the bay to the kerb.
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