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Hi, please let me know if I have any chance if I take this to tribunal.

I received a ticket for parking in a loading only bay. But there was no restricted hours shown on the sign so I thought it was invalid.

There never use to be any signs to say loading only. Southwark council then put a sign saying “loading only” with no time restrictions such as “at any time” or hours shown.

Since my appeal they have not only rejected my appeal but they have now updated the sign and added hours only.

I feel like this is unfair bearing in mind that the sign is only restricted to Monday-Saturday and my PCN was issued on a Sunday.

Please advise me if I should take this to tribunal and if yes under what grounds?

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I received a ticket for parking in a loading only bay. But there was no restricted hours shown on the sign so I thought it was invalid.


Where is the sign in evidence?

Were you actually loading or did you just park?

I have attached the sign evidence when the PCN was issued. But they have now updated the signs with hours.

I was not loading at the time the PCN was issued.

But the sign has now been updated to mon-sat 7-7pm only.

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I have attached the sign evidence when the PCN was issued. But they have now updated the signs with hours.

I was not loading at the time the PCN was issued.

But the sign has now been updated to mon-sat 7-7pm only.
OK, the sign has been updated, but when you parked it just said "Loading Only". This means that the restriction applies 24x7 and they say this in their letter of rejection. I'm sorry to say that they are right. Any restriction sign with no days or times always means 24x7.

However, they may have updated the TRO for this bay, but been tardy in changing the sign, so in actual fact, when you parked the TRO may have already shown the new days and times, so no contravention occurred. But you'd have to check the TRO, and this can be difficult. How many days between your PCN and you seeing the new sign ?

I was issued the PCN ON 13/04 and they changed the sign around the 04/05 so around 21 days but before they fixed the sign (the one that use to be there was removed) it use to be mon-sat 7-7pm aswell.

I had to go back to GSV March 2019 to get a shot of th e losding sign with days and times as you say was once there.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/6tGJLDBR9nzPuZyA9
A year earlier it was similar but different time allowed for loading
https://maps.app.goo.gl/6tGJLDBR9nzPuZyA9
But the sign is missing in 2022 and 2024
https://maps.app.goo.gl/u6M3A9EPVBdn1Yvd7
and
https://maps.app.goo.gl/xezEVMf8QJTEiX9M9
There is no GSV view after their July 2024 view

It would help if you can get a photo of the current sign.

I strongly suspect that the TRO for this bay remains unchanged, from 2019 but the missing sign was replaced by a sign that did not reflect what the TRO says. To get to the bottom of this, you have to be prepared to take them to adjudication, where they will be forced to prove that the sign with not times was correct, and to explain why only a3 weeks later you saw the sign that had been in place in 2019. You would have to forego the discount, unfortunately. Of course if you win, you pay nothing.

I have done a bit of delving, and have found this Southwark facility for viewing all the static restrictions in the borough.
https://streets.appyway.com/southwark
Type in "Rainbow Street" into the search box and the map will then zoom in to that street and you can click on each of the restrictions. The Loading Only bay is Mon-Sat 07.00 - 19.00 MOn-Sat. The key info is in the Publications Box, where it says the loading bay days and times were applied on 10th June 2011


Thank you for the information. I have attached the image of the current sign.

I suspect that it was never changed otherwise why would they change the sign 3 weeks after issuing me with a PCN.

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What this means is that the sign with no times or days was erected in error, and the PCN is void, but getting them to admit it will be a struggle. I suggest you also contact your local councillor to complain about council stupidity.

The restriction has always been 7 til 7 so as you parked at something past 4 you would have to talk quickly The road markings are clear and you are expected to know what a road sign means. An adjudicator may find that in the absence of a sign that reflects the order no contravention can occur but it is not a sure thing

The restriction has always been 7 til 7 so as you parked at something past 4 you would have to talk quickly The road markings are clear and you are expected to know what a road sign means. An adjudicator may find that in the absence of a sign that reflects the order no contravention can occur but it is not a sure thing
It's 7am-7pm Mon-Sat, but the OP parked on a Sunday. Surely if a sign does not reflect the TRO for the bay, no contravention has been committed ?

That’s what I was thinking but I’m not sure what to say if I take it to the adjudicator.

I wrote to my local councillor today with the following; “I am writing to raise a serious concern regarding the handling of Penalty Charge Notices (PCNs) issued on Rainbow Street (SE5 7), specifically related to discrepancies between Southwark Council’s signage and the corresponding Traffic Regulation Order (TRO).

On Sunday, 14 April 2025, I received a PCN (Number: JK16138900) for allegedly parking in a loading bay during restricted hours without loading. The alleged contravention occurred at 16:49. However, according to the TRO in place, the loading bay is only enforceable from Monday to Saturday 7:00 AM to 7:00 PM. Despite this, the sign in place at the time simply read “Loading Only”, with no specified times, implying 24/7 enforcement.

This signage was only recently replaced by the council after no signage was present at the location between 2022 and 2024. Even more concerning is that following my appeal, the council amended the signage to match the TRO – effectively acknowledging the original sign was misleading – yet they still rejected my appeal and are insisting I either pay the fine or escalate the case to an adjudicator.

This is extremely disappointing and unfair. The inconsistency between the signage and the TRO not only misled me but has also led to numerous other motorists (more than 10 by my observation) receiving PCNs under similar circumstances. I believe this indicates a systemic issue in enforcement practice that urgently needs review.

I would like to formally request that this matter be looked into and investigated further. Residents and visitors should not be penalised due to the council's failure to maintain accurate and lawful signage.“

And they replied with the following; “ Thanks Alexi, I’ve asked officers to look into this for you.

Regards,

Cllr Ian Wingfield
Chair Overview & Scrutiny Committee
Labour Member for St Giles Ward
London Borough of Southwark”

As I understand the position in law regarding signs AND markings, if a parking place is reserved to loading only 24/7 then the road markings LOADING or LOADING ONLY signify a 24/7 restriction. An upright sign is not required but may be provided. I think this change came into effect under the 2016 Traffic etc. Regs. Therefore, a missing sign is only a LATOR failure if the road markings are not as required or it's not 24/7 reserved to loading.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/782724/traffic-signs-manual-chapter-03.pdf

13.1.3 refers.
« Last Edit: May 17, 2025, 09:20:32 am by H C Andersen »

You must file an appeal within the statutory timeframe (28 days from date of service of the notice of rejection) you do not need to say much just on the ground of no contravention occurred write the TMO creates a Monday to Saturday 7am to 7pm only so a contravention cannot occur on a Sunday

I just wanted to thank and update everyone that help, the PCN was cancelled after the councillor asked the council to look into this.