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Re: Ilford lane box junction. 31j
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You'll need to use a third party site. If it's a PDF, Dropbox and Google Drive are both decent options.

If its images, Imgur is free and doesn't require sign up.

« Last Edit: August 02, 2024, 11:14:44 pm by H-M3 »

Re: Ilford lane box junction. 31j
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You'll need to use a third party site. If it's a PDF, Dropbox and Google Drive are both decent options.

If its images, Imgur is free and doesn't require sign up.
Not sure why the link is not working  :-[

Re: Ilford lane box junction. 31j
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Sorry All, can anyone help with me uploading the PCN. It keeps throwing errors. I can email the pdf to someone. Thanks
Normally you have to use a hosting site as per our instructions for posting that we gave for you to read.

Re: Ilford lane box junction. 31j
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Sorry All, can anyone help with me uploading the PCN. It keeps throwing errors. I can email the pdf to someone. Thanks
Normally you have to use a hosting site as per our instructions for posting that we gave for you to read.
Link works!
« Last Edit: August 03, 2024, 03:08:44 am by H-M3 »

Re: Ilford lane box junction. 31j
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I was just reading up and came across case ref 2160240742. What are the experts views, also I feel that the council need to consider the drivers view and not cctv especially at night time. I am still in shock as I am dumbfounded as to how I missed these boxes! Thanks peeps

Re: Ilford lane box junction. 31j
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I've had a look at both videos.  Both show a pretty textbook contravention.

However, I believe we've had some success in the past with Redbridge YBJ PCNs as they always just state the location as a singular street name when in reality it is at the junction of two roads.  Both PCNs are in respect of different box junctions along Ilford Lane, but this road is about 1 mile long and clearly has more than box junction along it (I say clearly as you have been caught in two different ones - they must be newish as they don't feature on Googlemaps yet so I cannot say specifically how many there are).

A PCN is required by law to state the grounds on which the authority believe a penalty charge is payable.  If the location is unclear, there's a reasonable case to be made the PCNs cannot be enforced.

In respect of the first one, the time of contravention is also slightly wrong.  It says 2232 when you entered the box (and stopped) at 2231.
I see your point. They have only specified the road as “Ilford Lane” that road is a long stretch of road with several YBJs I believe. Thanks

Re: Ilford lane box junction. 31j
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It would strengthen this argument if we knew how many there are along the length of Ilford Lane. I normally look at satellite view on Google maps but I think these have been painted on since it was last updated.

From other Redbridge cases I've seen on here, they seem to have been busy recently adding ybjs all over the place, even to junctions with minor side roads.

Re: Ilford lane box junction. 31j
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It would strengthen this argument if we knew how many there are along the length of Ilford Lane. I normally look at satellite view on Google maps but I think these have been painted on since it was last updated.

From other Redbridge cases I've seen on here, they seem to have been busy recently adding ybjs all over the place, even to junctions with minor side roads.
After these two PCNs I feel even scared to step on that damn road :'( will see if I can pop down one eve after work.

Re: Ilford lane box junction. 31j
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It would strengthen this argument if we knew how many there are along the length of Ilford Lane.

Maybe it strengthens the argument even more if we don't know how many yellow boxes there are.

@H-M3 here's a draft I've come up with:

Dear London Borough of Redbridge,

I challenge liability on the ground that the penalty charge notice does not adequately particularise the alleged wrongdoing. The location of the alleged contravention is given as "Ilford Lane", the name of the road junction is not given. I have looked online and I can see that Ilford Lane is over a mile long and has some 35 junctions, but I cannot find any box junction markings so it seems the box markings have been painted since the Google Street View car last drove down this road.

As the notice does not allow me to understand where it is that the contravention is alleged to have taken place, the notice does not adequately specify the grounds on which you believe the penalty is payable, I refer you to the decision of adjudicator Carl Teper in Saijal Patel v London Borough of Brent (2160240742, 8 August 2016) and adjudicator Andrew Harman in Sandra Grauzyte v London Borough of Redbridge (2230201115, 31 May 2023).

It follows that the notice must be cancelled.

Yours faithfully,


Send the representation online and keep a screenshot of the confirmation page.
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Re: Ilford lane box junction. 31j
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Very happy with that.

Don't forget you need to submit representations against both PCNs.

Re: Ilford lane box junction. 31j
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Grand! Thanks I will get that drafted and sent.
Thank you

Re: Ilford lane box junction. 31j
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Hi, any update on your appeal? I just got one on Ilford Lane!

Re: Ilford lane box junction. 31j
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Hi, no not yet, will keep this thread posted once I do.
Thanks
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Re: Ilford lane box junction. 31j
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Hi, any update on your appeal? I just got one on Ilford Lane!
Please start your own thread.  :)
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