Bus lane fine for old car sent to old address

Maybe a request to DVLA for details of who and when your details were requested since 2022.

No other dealings with Manchester

So why would Manchester City Council send the original documents in October 2023 to our old address!?!?!?

Only they know ! Probably office mismanagement.

Do a quick enquiry on the DVLA webpage for Check VED. Keep the printout as it is second proof of V5 update.

With the VRM you can check here to see what date the last V5 was issued.

Quite likely it hasn't been sold on yet so might tell you if a new V5 was issued.

With the VRM you can check here to see what date the last V5 was issued. https://vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk/

Quite likely it hasn't been sold on yet so might tell you if a new V5 was issued.

If you review the thread you'll see we've already been there done that got the t-shirt...

After speaking to Debt collectors staff, apparently the original Penalty Notice(s) were sent to our old address (because they said that was the address held by DVLA).
We sold that property & moved to New address on 16 Dec 2022.

So to confirm the bailiff gave you the exact address pre=December 2022? I ask because I wouldn't trust them with anything.

Then the key is to call Manchester parking and try and find out what they're up to.

And let's have another bit of info: the PCN number.

Quote from: RichardW on September 28, 2024, 08:03:46 pm

With the VRM you can check here to see what date the last V5 was issued. https://vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk/

Quite likely it hasn't been sold on yet so might tell you if a new V5 was issued.

If you review the thread you'll see we've already been there done that got the t-shirt...

I see that now...not at all obvious when viewing on a phone whether or not you are at the end of the topic...!

Do you have anything in writing that indicates that Manchester City Council sent the PCN and subsequent notices to you at your old address?

Or might it have been some other name and/or address that was used, perhaps nothing to do with you?

You now have a copy of the V5c so you have proof that your address was correct as far back as the 22nd Dec 2022, which is good news.

Written confirmation of an incorrect address at the Council end should make this easier for an Out of Time application. When you call please see if you can get an email from Manchester confirming the address they actually used.

The Council, once you'd been traced,  would have applied to have the warrant of the 9th July resealed (reissued) with your current address, when the bailiff couldn't enforce at whatever address was used. It seems likely that such a reissue happened since the Notice of Enforcement is dated the 12th Sept 2024 which is a long delay.

You could also phone the Traffic Enforcement Centre at Northampton County Court first thing Monday. Ask them to confirm the address originally used on the warrant and whether and/or when the warrant was resealed to the new address. Tel: 0300-123 1059 09:00am  to 17:00pm.

      
A Final Entry

Numerous calls & emails following the advices of the kind people on this site, I am pleased to confirm that today's conversation with staff at Debt Recovery at Manchester City Council has finally resolved the issue.

The original PCN was apparently sent to the original owner of our old vehicle WT19 FFJ, who referred the matter to trader Motorpoint from whom we bought the old car several years ago, they gave Manchester City Council our old address. This information continued to be used until Newlyn decided to check the V5C.

However we had obtained & sent a copy of the V5C from the Ford dealers who we had traded it in to last month, confirming the DVLA had held our new address since Dec 2022 when we moved.

There were obvious failings somewhere within the vehicle registration system, - I'm not quite sure what had gone wrong between the original buyer trading it into Motor point & our purchase of it, but now it's sorted & as we no longer own the car I don't care! However this explains the long delay between issuing PCN etc. It looks like some items went to the old owner of the vehicle who then sent it on to the Motorpoint dealership, who then sent it back with (the wrong) address.

Anyway - Newlyn bailiffs/debt recovery has now been cancelled, & as we never disputed the offence, we have paid the £30 original Bus Lane fine (see below), all debt recovery has been withdrawn, and the matter has been closed. (We have had all confirmation from all parties in writing).

Thanks once again to all parties for advices. Much appreciated.

That's good but it would be useful to know how Manchester didn't pick up the correct address as per V5C at the time. 

That's good but it would be useful to know how Manchester didn't pick up the correct address as per V5C at the time.

A probable procedural impropriety and grounds for cancellation of the PCN, but the OP has now paid it.

Quote from: stamfordman on October 02, 2024, 03:29:23 pm

That's good but it would be useful to know how Manchester didn't pick up the correct address as per V5C at the time.

A probable procedural impropriety and grounds for cancellation of the PCN, but the OP has now paid it.

It's not that - it's worrying that it can happen and I can't see how.