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PCN for U-Turn – Hammersmith & Fulham

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Re: PCN for U-Turn – Hammersmith & Fulham
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I think we're in danger of going off-piste here.

Both the High Court judgment and the Panel decision quoted in the reviewed case state clearly that in order for a 'u-turn' to be performed, whether in 3 goes or one, an essential limb is that after the manoeuvre 'it travels in the direction from whence it came'.

In this case the vehicle did not.

So IMO, it's not how a 'u-turn' was achieved, it's whether one occurred.

IMO, it did not, and neither did the contravention.
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Re: PCN for U-Turn – Hammersmith & Fulham
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Quote from: traz on August 13, 2025, 06:21:39 pm
What should I mention in my representation. As far as I understand almost anything I say will get rejected and then it will be off to TEC to fight it out
Tribunal not TEC. I'll do a draft later.
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@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: PCN for U-Turn – Hammersmith & Fulham
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#18
Basically, yes, they automatically reject all reps because they know most people then cough up. However you need to put in your reps the things you want the adjudicator to see which were rejected by the council.
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Re: PCN for U-Turn – Hammersmith & Fulham
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#20
Yes please and post up a draft first. Sorry, I am inundated.
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@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: PCN for U-Turn – Hammersmith & Fulham
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#21
I've drafted the following appeal. I've kept it simple and concise.


Dear Hammersmith and Fulham Council,

I am writing to formally challenge the Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) issued for an alleged U-turn.

A High Court judgment has made it clear that for a U-turn to occur, the vehicle must, after the manoeuvre, travel in the direction from whence it came.

In this case, my vehicle did not travel back in the direction from which it initially came. Therefore, no U-turn took place, and no contravention occurred.

On this basis, I respectfully request that the PCN be cancelled.

Thank you for your consideration.

Kind regards,
Last Edit: August 18, 2025, 06:06:13 pm by traz
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Re: PCN for U-Turn – Hammersmith & Fulham
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@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: PCN for U-Turn – Hammersmith & Fulham
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Sorry to be Devil's Advocate, but you could say that you did do a U-turn, immediately followed by a left turn.

Is this going to London Tribunals ?
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