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Re: Traffic offence Solicitors in Leamington Spa-Coventry area
« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2024, 08:57:44 pm »
Depends what you’re asked and who asks you.

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Re: Traffic offence Solicitors in Leamington Spa-Coventry area
« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2024, 12:11:18 am »


Not Leamington based but with an excellent reputation for no-nonsense help and sensible prices is Bobby Bell of BB law. https://www.bb-law.co.uk/
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It is unusual for a driver to be prosecuted on the basis they were driving too slowly.  I can understand why the police officer thought you had committed an offence of careless driving but it MIGHT be possible to persuade the prosecution to drop the case on the basis it is not in the public interest to continue with the prosecution.
 
My fee to deal with the case would be £2595, which assumes a maximum of 1 x court attendance.

---Ouch ..if 2595 is sensible,  then what do the others charge???

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Re: Traffic offence Solicitors in Leamington Spa-Coventry area
« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2024, 12:19:07 pm »
It depends on whether you want that offered court attendance or not. Advice only to help you in your approach to defend this yourself would be cheaper. 

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Re: Traffic offence Solicitors in Leamington Spa-Coventry area
« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2024, 12:26:01 pm »
My primary concern is about a criminal record, my employer will certainly raise it, if it shows up on an enhanced DBS check.
If it doesn't show up do I still have to declare it?

I have never had a speeding conviction show up on an enhanced DBS check, nor on a BPSS. I also never declared them but some people I have worked with have, usually to be told it isn't a concern. It is a question of whether it's seen as 'withholding information'. Personally I asked first and got told not to bother unless it was an imprisonable offence.     

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Re: Traffic offence Solicitors in Leamington Spa-Coventry area
« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2024, 12:42:42 pm »
So, what if I turn up in court and please no guilty

Charge- Was driving slowly 40-45 mph on the M69

Reason being: Request the prosecution to drop the case, as it's not in the public interest   

How will the judge react?

Yes, agree with me and throw the case out ( and I buy a winning lotto)
or
Laughs at me and sentences me to a hefty  fine or points or ban?
or
Says fine, let's have a date in the future, to argue why it's not in public interest?


Can I fight the case myself in court? Learn some law , I got an excellent memory and topped my batch of 92
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Re: Traffic offence Solicitors in Leamington Spa-Coventry area
« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2024, 12:50:28 pm »
Charge- Was driving slowly 40-45 mph on the M69

Is that really the actual charge?
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Re: Traffic offence Solicitors in Leamington Spa-Coventry area
« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2024, 12:56:03 pm »
So, what if I turn up in court and please no guilty

Charge- Was driving slowly 40-45 mph on the M69

Reason being: Request the prosecution to drop the case, as it's not in the public interest 

How will the judge react?

Yes, agree with me and throw the case out ( and I buy a winning lotto)
or
Laughs at me and sentences me to a hefty  fine or points or ban?
or
Says fine, let's have a date in the future, to argue why it's not in public interest?


Can I fight the case myself in court? Learn some law , I got an excellent memory and topped my batch of 92
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It's difficult to see how it could be in the public interest to turn a blind eye to an (allegedly) blatant case of careless or inconsiderate driving.

BTW it's more likely to be a bench of three magistrates than a judge.

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Re: Traffic offence Solicitors in Leamington Spa-Coventry area
« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2024, 12:58:30 pm »
So, what if I turn up in court and please no guilty

Charge- Was driving slowly 40-45 mph on the M69

Reason being: Request the prosecution to drop the case, as it's not in the public interest 

How will the judge react?

Yes, agree with me and throw the case out ( and I buy a winning lotto)
or
Laughs at me and sentences me to a hefty  fine or points or ban?
or
Says fine, let's have a date in the future, to argue why it's not in public interest?


Can I fight the case myself in court? Learn some law , I got an excellent memory and topped my batch of 92
D
Well as you have already plead guilty you shouldn't turn up in court and try and reverse it but at least have the courtesy to not waste court time by doing it in advance.

The bench (probably not a judge for a magistrates court case) will 'laugh at you' (not literally) - you are meant to put it to the PROSECUTION (as what you wrote kind of tells you) and that should be done in advance of any hearing (and after you change your plea), the judge has nothing to do with it, once the full court hearings start the CPS are very unlikely to agree to drop it.

Yes of course you can DIY, whether you should or not still isn't clear.

This highlights why we asked questions and were hesitant to simply answer your question, most people don't understand what they are actually asking for which is why we try and establish what they should be asking (as opposed to are asking) first.

So why were you doing 40-45? How busy was it? Which lane were you in? All these are relevant to whether you SHOULD do what you COULD do.
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Re: Traffic offence Solicitors in Leamington Spa-Coventry area
« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2024, 02:53:39 pm »
I pleaded guilty to the SJP, precisely to avoid wasting  time. So if whoever it was, found that inappropriate, then isn't this a whole new ball game?

Most importantly, why is the term used to 'change my plea' . Isn't this starting with a new slate?

If not, why exactly have I been summoned to court? To enter a guilty plea which has been rejected by the SJP? Or to increase the quantum of fines? Doesn't make sense?

If I do make a 'not guilty' plea do I have to inform the court in advance? There is nothing in the letter about that. It just states to be present at so and so time and seek legal assistance, if required in advance

Brief GIST of the letter

A magistrate has decided that your case be referred to a full court hearing

Reason: Case inappropriate for the SJP
Then the charges

Referral to full court hearing
Reason, as above
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Re: Traffic offence Solicitors in Leamington Spa-Coventry area
« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2024, 03:15:54 pm »
So far as I understand matters, your case began to be tried under the single justice procedure. For some reason, the court decided that was no longer appropriate and has adjourned your case. If that is correct, then you do not need to (or get to) enter your plea again. You have pleaded guilty, that plea has (presumably) been accepted but your case is now adjourned.

You can apply to vacate your guilty plea but there are quite strict criteria around doing so. Dropping out of the SJP isn’t a reason.

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Re: Traffic offence Solicitors in Leamington Spa-Coventry area
« Reply #25 on: September 19, 2024, 04:16:26 pm »
So far as I understand matters, your case began to be tried under the single justice procedure. For some reason, the court decided that was no longer appropriate and has adjourned your case. If that is correct, then you do not need to (or get to) enter your plea again. You have pleaded guilty, that plea has (presumably) been accepted but your case is now adjourned.

You can apply to vacate your guilty plea but there are quite strict criteria around doing so. Dropping out of the SJP isn’t a reason.

So basically I have been called to court to do exactly what ? 
Plead guilty, as before
Same evidence ,as before? The traffic cell, who deal with cases deemed it was worth a course or 3 points/ 100 quid
What else do they want from me?

More dough? extract as much as possible? 

yep, easy money to be made, while rapists and murderers walk free, as they are a loss making venture

Netflix Rebel Ridge comes to mind

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Re: Traffic offence Solicitors in Leamington Spa-Coventry area
« Reply #26 on: September 19, 2024, 04:47:26 pm »
So far as I understand matters, your case began to be tried under the single justice procedure. For some reason, the court decided that was no longer appropriate and has adjourned your case. If that is correct, then you do not need to (or get to) enter your plea again. You have pleaded guilty, that plea has (presumably) been accepted but your case is now adjourned.

You can apply to vacate your guilty plea but there are quite strict criteria around doing so. Dropping out of the SJP isn’t a reason.

What else do they want from me?

More dough? extract as much as possible? 

yep, easy money to be made, while rapists and murderers walk free, as they are a loss making venture

Netflix Rebel Ridge comes to mind

Whatever you're fined, neither the police, the CPS nor the court get to see a penny of it. Strange money-making plot.

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Re: Traffic offence Solicitors in Leamington Spa-Coventry area
« Reply #27 on: September 19, 2024, 04:54:18 pm »
So basically I have been called to court to do exactly what ? 
Plead guilty, as before
Same evidence ,as before? The traffic cell, who deal with cases deemed it was worth a course or 3 points/ 100 quid
What else do they want from me?

More dough? extract as much as possible? 

yep, easy money to be made, while rapists and murderers walk free, as they are a loss making venture

Netflix Rebel Ridge comes to mind

How would I know? I’m not the one with all the paperwork, though I appreciate it might not contain a reason.

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Re: Traffic offence Solicitors in Leamington Spa-Coventry area
« Reply #28 on: September 19, 2024, 05:07:46 pm »
Amongst a lot of semi-coherent noise, you have told us that you entered a guilty plea to the SJPN and included some unspecified mitigation. You have completely ignored NJ's very pertinent question as to what you put in your mitigation, and continued to make a lot of semi-coherent noise.

What did you put in your mitigation?
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Re: Traffic offence Solicitors in Leamington Spa-Coventry area
« Reply #29 on: September 19, 2024, 06:30:41 pm »
Were you by chance doing 45 in lane 2 or lane 3 or along the hard shoulder?

I sometimes have to use lane 2 or 3 when I'm driving a bus that may be limited to 45 mph as a lot of town buses are, but I move back over to lane 1 as soon as possible to avoid delaying others. We still don't know what your circumstances were.

As you've already pleaded guilty, in my view you're too late to change your mind unless as others have said, you have special circumstances. Why do people get paranoid about getting a speeding or other traffic offence ticket? Most times the safe driving course or the £100 and 3 points is the cheapest and easiest option. Maybe you'd like to employ expert witnesses, they don't come cheap at about £2k a day.
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