School Zig Zag lines - no signs

• School Zig Zag lines - no signs
  Posted by TedStriker on 20 May, 2025 14:14
• Hi,
  
  Just a quick one - if there is no sign showing times of operation for yellow 'keep clear' zig zag lines outside a school, are they enforceable? To be clear I'm not wanting to park inconsiderately during school times, this is an area that has single yellow lines combined with yellow zig zags and I'd like to park overnight at the weekend, which is permitted by the roadside signage for the single yellows (restrictions 2pm-3pm Mon-Fri).
  
  Here is the place in question https://maps.app.goo.gl/hLTWp8JSCLEmLbim8
  
  Thanks!
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• #1 Reply
  Posted by 666 on 20 May, 2025 14:29
• Quote from: TedStriker on 20 May, 2025 14:14

  Hi,
  
  Just a quick one - if there is no sign showing times of operation for yellow 'keep clear' zig zag lines outside a school, are they enforceable? To be clear I'm not wanting to park inconsiderately during school times, this is an area that has single yellow lines combined with yellow zig zags and I'd like to park overnight at the weekend, which is permitted by the roadside signage for the single yellows (restrictions 2pm-3pm Mon-Fri).
  
  Here is the place in question https://maps.app.goo.gl/hLTWp8JSCLEmLbim8
  
  Thanks!
  

  
  AFAIK in the absence of a sign with times of operation, the prohibition applies 24/7.
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• #2 Reply
  Posted by H C Andersen on 20 May, 2025 14:32
• No.
  
  https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/782724/traffic-signs-manual-chapter-03.pdf
  
  13.28.1 refers. Without an applicable upright sign the marking is advisory.
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• #3 Reply
  Posted by 666 on 20 May, 2025 15:31
• Quote from: H C Andersen on 20 May, 2025 14:32

  No.
  
  https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/782724/traffic-signs-manual-chapter-03.pdf
  
  13.28.1 refers. Without an applicable upright sign the marking is advisory.
  

  
  Thanks HC, but the Traffic Signs Manual is also advisory!
  
  Can you point to the relevant legislation?
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• #4 Reply
  Posted by andy_foster on 20 May, 2025 15:34
• https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=tsrgd+2016
  
  N.B. For the purposes of some random question, when the TSM says that the law says X, the TSM can be considered to be an appropriate digest.
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• #5 Reply
  Posted by H C Andersen on 20 May, 2025 17:03
• https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedule/7/made
  
  Part 6, para. 2
  
  School etc entrances (diagram 1027.1)
  2.  The road marking provided for at item 10 of the sign table in Part 4, when not placed in conjunction with an upright sign which includes the symbol at item 12 of the sign table in Part 3 of Schedule 4 (prohibiting stopping on entrance markings), indicates a part of the carriageway outside an entrance where vehicles should not stop.
  
  3.  Subject to paragraph 4, the road marking at item 10, when placed in conjunction with an upright sign which includes the symbol at item 12, conveys the prohibition that, subject to the exceptions in paragraph 5, a person driving a vehicle must not cause it to stop on that marking—
  
  (a)if the sign placed in conjunction with the marking does not show a time period, at any time; or
  
  (b)if the sign shows a time period, during that period.
  
  My emphasis.
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• #6 Reply
  Posted by Pastmybest on 25 May, 2025 18:14
• Looking at the GSV the school zig zag is defunct being located outside a care home See the non enforceable sign affixed to the fence near the gate
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