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Having discussed this with cp8759, how can we achieve this?

My reasons:

1. Reviews should be conducted by higher adjudicators who are not peers.
2. It is really difficult at present even to secure a second review though I have done so at the TPT*
2. If set up, a higher tribunal would save much expense etc of seeking a Judicial Review.

* https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iz73a1Rv3Dov2E_2wsYGGbKtVgtRE6dR/view
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“O God and Heavenly Father, grant to us the serenity of mind to accept that which cannot be changed, courage to change that which can be changed, and wisdom to know the one from the other through Jesus Christ, our Lord, Amen.”

Wisdom. Serenity.
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Quote from: Hippocrates on January 31, 2025, 12:08:05 pm
1. Reviews should be conducted by higher adjudicators who are not peers.

So you say, but that is not how it works in the wider judicial system, particularly tribunals. What you want is something akin to the First Tier Tribunal/Upper Tribunal system that exists almost uniformly elsewhere. Look at the Tribunals, Courts and Enforcement Act 2007.
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Quote from: andy_foster on January 31, 2025, 12:48:17 pm
“O God and Heavenly Father, grant to us the serenity of mind to accept that which cannot be changed, courage to change that which can be changed, and wisdom to know the one from the other through Jesus Christ, our Lord, Amen.”

Wisdom. Serenity.

I do believe it can be changed.  ;D  And I do not intend to injure my knees in the process.  8)
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How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

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If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
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Quote from: Hippocrates on January 31, 2025, 02:14:49 pm
Quote from: andy_foster on January 31, 2025, 12:48:17 pm
“O God and Heavenly Father, grant to us the serenity of mind to accept that which cannot be changed, courage to change that which can be changed, and wisdom to know the one from the other through Jesus Christ, our Lord, Amen.”

Wisdom. Serenity.

I do believe it can be changed.  ;D  And I do not intend to injure my knees in the process.  8)
:o  :o  :o  a. I reading to much into that?  ;D
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I raised this with Mr Chan on Monday.
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How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
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Quote from: Hippocrates on February 19, 2025, 09:03:04 pm
I raised this with Mr Chan on Monday.

And the outcome was . . . ?
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@John U.K. General chat about Scotland, High Court and Court of Appeal. One adjudicator not binding on another, prejudice, Jackson J etc. and Soneji.  Not in the hearing room, of course.

And this, of which I was kindly given a hard copy!: 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1huH4PnDmXKAdMmlhvjU_F5YHaI56JX51/view

Re the linked case: it appears that two Adjudicators have now said that, although it is not binding, it is persuasive. Not appears, it was said to me and to mrmustard on separate occasions - Monday and Wednesday respectively. This may well cause problems re prejudice arguments and website issues in future.
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How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
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