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Re: Southwark to refund recipients of bus lane PCNs issued under the wrong act!
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I am going through Tribunal decisions at present.
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Re: Southwark to refund recipients of bus lane PCNs issued under the wrong act!
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Quote from: John U.K. on August 19, 2025, 02:44:04 pm
Perhaps BBC picked up from ITV?
https://www.itv.com/news/london/2025-08-19/council-refunds-485000-for-wrongly-fining-drivers-in-the-bus-lane
These were the videos from which the snippets were taken:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny8WWLNe3gw&list=LL&index=40&pp=gAQBiAQB

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBL8VLaXDCc&list=LL&index=38&pp=gAQBiAQB

Cameraman for both:  The Laird Tyler of Surbiton Studios.  8) Action Man!

One of the adjudicators has read the story.  8)
Last Edit: August 20, 2025, 10:32:19 am by Hippocrates
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Re: Southwark to refund recipients of bus lane PCNs issued under the wrong act!
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Dear Sir or Madam

Re: JK15161554

I note that, despite your assurances in the Press, this PCN remains to be cancelled.  Please confirm that this will be resolved forthwith as well as the other 10,421.

Finally, considering the time I have spent literally educating your parking department regarding this error, and your wholly unreasonable response to me stating that I was incorrect, I request that you reimburse me £95 for my time (CPR rate is £19 per hour for litigants in person) and donate it to The Princess Alice Hospice, West End Lane, Esher, KT10 8NA. Link here:

https://www.pah.org.uk/donate/

Yours faithfully

James Bond
Last Edit: August 30, 2025, 12:33:06 pm by Hippocrates
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Re: Southwark to refund recipients of bus lane PCNs issued under the wrong act!
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Now cancelled - under the Traffic Management Act 2004 (Part 6).  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)
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Q.  Who is your contractor involved with the attached story?
R.  APCOA and Polaris software
Q.  Who is ultimately responsible for this error? The parking manager or the contractor?
R.  The contractor

They refused to provide the contract.

Bolleaux in my view.
Last Edit: November 29, 2025, 03:35:01 pm by Hippocrates
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Re: Southwark to refund recipients of bus lane PCNs issued under the wrong act!
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Quote from: Hippocrates on August 16, 2025, 11:44:32 am
De nada. Story should be in the press tomorrow. If one divides the figure to be paid back by the number of rate payers, I reckon it works out at £1.58 per household, not including the cost of sending out fake PCNs and fake notices of rejection.

485,220.00 divided by 306,400.

According to the Sunday Telegraph article it's Southwark's contractors who are on the hook for this money not Southwark's council tax payers.

Contractors to pay back fines
Speaking of the latest error, James McAsh, a local councillor, said: “Between February and June this year, an administrative error by one of our contractors led to some bus lane penalty notices being issued incorrectly. We are very sorry for the inconvenience this has caused.
“All affected motorists will receive refunds, and any unpaid notices will be cancelled. We have reviewed all other notices and found no further issues. We are also strengthening our checks with contractors to make sure this does not happen again.
“The council will recover the full cost of the refunds from the contractors.”

https://archive.ph/F6E5l
Last Edit: November 30, 2025, 08:20:54 am by nigelbb
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Re: Southwark to refund recipients of bus lane PCNs issued under the wrong act!
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Correct.  But I thought it interesting to see the FOIR too. My point: why do they not reveal the contract? This will clearly show who is responsible. I smell a rat.
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JK15616144/HV12FFL now closed. Awaiting the reasons why. Throughout the process, their website was in a shambolic state as ever. For example, threatening to rise to £240 even before the service of the Enforcement Notice.

They retreated. Pertains to the site filmed in the ITN News. Sadly, I shall not have my day in the lower court.

To be continued...................... ;)
Last Edit: December 05, 2025, 12:54:17 pm by Hippocrates
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Gesture of goodwill.  ;D
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Their contractor carries out a weekly sweep of all CCTV enforcement sites!

https://youtu.be/SVQ1g1hq6gU
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Barred from attending council meetings.
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There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

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