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Not to hijack the thread, but under what circumstances/criteria would costs be awarded?

Otherwise it's always as per what @Phantomcrusader says above, i.e. for councils, it's either win or nothing to lose.  Surely the adjudicators have acknowledged this?

Or is it the case that if costs were awarded more frequently, councils would accept more reps, less cases would go to tribunal and the adjudicators would be issued a P45.
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I've moved this to the Flame Pit, as it's drifting away from the original topic.

Costs are awarded where the Notice of Rejection is wholly unreasonable, or the the decision by the council to fight the appeal is wholly unreasonable. If you want to explore this in more depth, have a look here for all the cases with the word "costs" in column A.
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@NTIAEP https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/environment-traffic/key-cases/norbert-gogiel-v-london-borough-southwark

And, costs may be awarded even if the council wins. Though, I failed in a recent attempt re a Lewisham case in which they made a statement tantamount to calling me a liar.
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Quote from: NTIAEP on September 07, 2025, 06:32:33 pm

Or is it the case that if costs were awarded more frequently, councils would accept more reps, less cases would go to tribunal and the adjudicators would be issued a P45.

You remind me of an earlier me. It's the regulations which need relaxing or changing. The starting point is that the adjudicator will not normally award costs.  See the higher court decisions in the link above.
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If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

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