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Re: PePiPoo site down??
« Reply #45 on: March 26, 2024, 10:37:53 pm »
Also I'm not sure users on other forums are aware of FTLA?  I post on MSE and Legal Beagles and usually you only see suggestions to go to pepipoo not ftla.
I hope you're directing people here then?
I am not on the "motorists's side", nor am I on the "police/CPS/council's" side, I am simply in favour of the rule of law. Section 6 of the Interpretation Act 1978 applies to everything I post as it would apply to an Act of Parliament. I am a Conservative councillor, this means some people think I am "scum". I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor nor a barrister.

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Re: PePiPoo site down??
« Reply #46 on: March 26, 2024, 10:39:30 pm »
I'm still puzzled why - if as claimed so many regulars have actually moved here - the speed section is vacant in comparison?
Because many of us made a concerted effort to redirect OPs from the council forum on pepipoo to ftla, while no such attempt was made in the speeding section.
I am not on the "motorists's side", nor am I on the "police/CPS/council's" side, I am simply in favour of the rule of law. Section 6 of the Interpretation Act 1978 applies to everything I post as it would apply to an Act of Parliament. I am a Conservative councillor, this means some people think I am "scum". I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor nor a barrister.

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Re: PePiPoo site down??
« Reply #47 on: March 26, 2024, 10:58:21 pm »
The question is not why is the speeding section so quiet, it is why is the council section so busy. IMHO largely due to the presence of a facebook group for council tickets, and also due to the fact that council tickets are far more likely to be worth challenging if you have access to people that know what they're doing.

Speeding seems to largely about explaining to posters how to read the sticky that tells them how to perform a statutory declaration and do a plea bargain to get the s. 172 dropped.
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Re: PePiPoo site down??
« Reply #48 on: March 26, 2024, 11:06:40 pm »
Also I'm not sure users on other forums are aware of FTLA?  I post on MSE and Legal Beagles and usually you only see suggestions to go to pepipoo not ftla.
I hope you're directing people here then?

I try to direct people to both, but some referrers only know about Pepipoo and not FTLA.

While it's obviously ok for people to choose whether they want to post on both sites or just one, I think there's a danger of confusion and distraction so long as Pepipoo continues and some users seem to have decided to stay there and not venture here.  It just dilutes the knowledge base and experience to draw on.

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Re: PePiPoo site down??
« Reply #49 on: March 27, 2024, 10:55:06 am »
and also due to the fact that council tickets are far more likely to be worth challenging if you have access to people that know what they're doing.

Speeding seems to largely about explaining to posters how to read the sticky that tells them how to perform a statutory declaration and do a plea bargain to get the s. 172 dropped.
This. I think we've not seen more than one or two cases a year where a speeding case was actually worth challenging, just as that case where the 30 mph signs were blanked out and the police agreed to drop it.
I am not on the "motorists's side", nor am I on the "police/CPS/council's" side, I am simply in favour of the rule of law. Section 6 of the Interpretation Act 1978 applies to everything I post as it would apply to an Act of Parliament. I am a Conservative councillor, this means some people think I am "scum". I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor nor a barrister.

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Re: PePiPoo site down??
« Reply #50 on: March 27, 2024, 03:33:05 pm »
I can't remember a speeding case worth fighting. They are rarer than hen's teeth.

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Re: PePiPoo site down??
« Reply #51 on: March 27, 2024, 09:33:14 pm »
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I can't remember a speeding case worth fighting. They are rarer than hen's teeth.

I agree there are few arguable on the basis of "I wasn't speeding". But there's shedloads of advice given on Pepipoo (and hopefully increasingly on here) on how to deal with other matters such as s172 charges (when no NIP/s172 received), convictions in absence and others. The benefit that posters receive is arguably every bit as important as there is very often a good strategy to deal with those problems which posters otherwise would not be aware of.

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Re: PePiPoo site down??
« Reply #52 on: March 27, 2024, 09:41:50 pm »
I can't remember a speeding case worth fighting. They are rarer than hen's teeth.
Nowadays, yes. Itís such a simple offence that challenging it requires some quite unusual circumstances.

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Re: PePiPoo site down??
« Reply #53 on: March 28, 2024, 09:02:02 am »
But there's shedloads of advice given on Pepipoo (and hopefully increasingly on here) on how to deal with other matters such as s172 charges (when no NIP/s172 received), convictions in absence and others. The benefit that posters receive is arguably every bit as important as there is very often a good strategy to deal with those problems which posters otherwise would not be aware of.
Also educating posters about the likes of
  • the 14 day rule for first NIP
  • whether they are really the RK of a vehicle
  • futility and potential consequences of dodgy strategies to avoid naming the driver
  • even a modest van is subject to different (lower) speed limits than a car
  • timing out a prosecution if there have been delays in the paperwork, and conversely not hanging about if a the option for a course is about to expire
  • etc.
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Re: PePiPoo site down??
« Reply #54 on: March 28, 2024, 12:52:24 pm »
I'm still puzzled why - if as claimed so many regulars have actually moved here - the speed section is vacant in comparison?

Is that because of the "READ THIS FIRST - **BEFORE POSTING YOUR CASE!**" Important Topic on this website under Speeding and other criminal offences which appears to suggest to posters to use "our NIP Wizard" and then gives a footnote referring to PePiPoo?  That seems to me to be inviting speeding posters to post on Pepipoo rather than posting here.

But I'm uncertain as to whether the PePiPoo NIP wizard is fit for purpose anyway.  There's a thread on there at the moment where the OP had an NIP dated 11 days after the offence but received it 15 days after the offence.  The Wizard recommendations are (1) "that the NIP must arrive within 14 days unless there is a valid reason why that was not possible", and (2) also links to advice from the RAC's legal team which directs to a thread over 20 years old which contains a suggested and out of date response drafted by the RAC and such gems as returning the NIP unsigned and that the best defence is to say you don't know who was driving...

I appreciate that the answers themselves to the Wizard questions can assist in providing relelvant advice, but that doesn't really explain why the Wizard produces a "Recommendation" that on the face of it is extrememly misleading if not downright wrong.  I've certainly read one thread where the OP said thay'd sent off the RAC letter as recommended only to be asked why they'd done that. Well because that's what the wizard recommended.

I'm sure when it was written years ago the Wizard was rather clever and helpful, but I'd suggest that at the very least it needs updating.  Perhaps it should be done on here.

(I think I previously pointed out problems with the wizard on PePiPoo but got dismissively shot down and couldn't be bothered taking it further.  But this is a different website...)
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Re: PePiPoo site down??
« Reply #55 on: March 29, 2024, 05:03:16 pm »
Like almost everything on pepipoo, the problem with the Nip wizard is that it's not been updated in 10+ years.

If you want to make a new one for use on here I'm all for it.
I am not on the "motorists's side", nor am I on the "police/CPS/council's" side, I am simply in favour of the rule of law. Section 6 of the Interpretation Act 1978 applies to everything I post as it would apply to an Act of Parliament. I am a Conservative councillor, this means some people think I am "scum". I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor nor a barrister.

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Re: PePiPoo site down??
« Reply #56 on: March 30, 2024, 03:05:42 pm »
Like almost everything on pepipoo,........ is that it's not been updated in 10+ years.
I hope you haven't included SP in that catch all  ::)

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Re: PePiPoo site down??
« Reply #57 on: April 03, 2024, 09:15:33 am »
My PePiPoo log in no longer works

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Re: PePiPoo site down??
« Reply #58 on: April 03, 2024, 05:12:58 pm »
My PePiPoo log in no longer works

Iíve checked your profile and I canít see any reason why.

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Re: PePiPoo site down??
« Reply #59 on: April 17, 2024, 08:34:27 am »
Pepipoo is down again from last night when I kept getting error messages after getting a "flood control" message. No connection with server again this morning.
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