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Bromley are still to obtain a new certificate for their bus lane cameras.
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If you receive a bus lane ticket/Penalty Charge Notice, for your own sake, please do not pay it as you will win at the Tribunal.  The evidence is inadmissible.

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Re: Bromley are still to obtain a new certificate for their bus lane cameras.
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The same is true of so many:

Bromley's NTOs are defective (payment period from date of notice rather than date of service), Lambeth's moving traffic and bus lane PCNs are all defective (payment period from date of service rather than date of notice), some Westminster moving traffic PCNs (21 day discount period rather than 14), the list goes on.

But really you're preaching to the converted here.

Might help to talk to the local press that covers Bromley, also Bromley facebook groups etc.
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Genuine question (as I don't know how these things work) - if the council refuse your reps and it gets as far as a Tribunal and you win because their case was fatally flawed from the get go.......can you claim costs?
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There have been numerous costs decisions on this point go to this tab, search for "london bus lanes" and look at how many of the case descriptions in column A mention the word "costs".
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Quote from: cp8759 on August 11, 2023, 12:36:13 am
The same is true of so many:


But really you're preaching to the converted here.

Might help to talk to the local press that covers Bromley, also Bromley facebook groups etc.
Have done so re Press.  Objective is to maximise publicity so that people fight.  Wish I had  done this yonks ago.  RBK will follow today and all other councils in due course. ;D  Hopefully, someone will pick this up.

Plan B:  climb the post on which the camera is attached and/or attach a sign to said post publicising the lack of approval.
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If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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