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Re: London Tribunal personal hearings morphing into hearings by video
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Well, having spoken with a senior receptionist, they are as clear as mud as to what will happen, where and when....I will try again tomorrow and ask an adjudicator.
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Re: London Tribunal personal hearings morphing into hearings by video
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Quote from: Southpaw82 on January 21, 2025, 06:41:32 pm
The same doesn’t seem to hold true for representatives, as long as they’re not giving evidence.

I think the tribunal makes allowances where the representative is the uncle / neighbour / spouse etc, but I think it would be at the very least heavily frowned upon if one of us regulars gave evidence about the merits of case in which we are acting.
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Re: London Tribunal personal hearings morphing into hearings by video
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Finally found the information.

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If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: London Tribunal personal hearings morphing into hearings by video
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Quote from: Hippocrates on January 23, 2025, 09:56:30 am
Finally found the information.
One adjudicator told me, if I remember correctly, that from the second week in February parking cases will be heard by video.  Also, the following reasons for having a person to person would not be valid:

1. Alleviation of depression by leaving the house.
2. Occasional departures from the house to cure agoraphobia.
3. Unable to afford the make up for the video call.
4. Unable to share by video a drink with mrmustard.


:'(
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If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: London Tribunal personal hearings morphing into hearings by video
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were you disappointed at No 3 mr Hippo ?  ;D
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Re: London Tribunal personal hearings morphing into hearings by video
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Quote from: mickR on January 24, 2025, 05:09:54 pm
were you disappointed at No 3 mr Hippo ?  ;D
Not me! More no 4! Kos it's his round!  :D

Meanwhile, I thought about an appearance playing this one day outside the Tribunal: 

It was actually one boat but I split the screen.
« Last Edit: January 24, 2025, 09:23:58 pm by Hippocrates »
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If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: London Tribunal personal hearings morphing into hearings by video
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Quote from: Hippocrates on January 23, 2025, 09:56:30 am
Finally found the information.

https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/environment-and-traffic-adjudicators-your-microsoft-teams-appeal

Hearings before the Adjudicator are public hearings and may be adjourned to allow for public attendance should the Adjudicator consider it appropriate.   ???
« Last Edit: January 25, 2025, 04:09:52 pm by Hippocrates »
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If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: London Tribunal personal hearings morphing into hearings by video
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Quote from: Hippocrates on January 25, 2025, 01:25:22 pm
Quote from: Hippocrates on January 23, 2025, 09:56:30 am
Finally found the information.

https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/environment-and-traffic-adjudicators-your-microsoft-teams-appeal

Hearings before the Adjudicator are public hearings and may be adjourned to allow for public attendance should the Adjudicator consider it appropriate.  ???
That's odd, at the TPT they just let anyone attend the hearing remotely as a member of the public, you just have to stay muted and keep your camera off. The High Court does the same, I have observed more than one High Court hearing via video.
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Re: London Tribunal personal hearings morphing into hearings by video
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I am not at all happy about this hence my impulse for starting the thread.
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If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: London Tribunal personal hearings morphing into hearings by video
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Quote from: Hippocrates on January 25, 2025, 09:34:09 pm
I am not at all happy about this hence my impulse for starting the thread.
What aren't you happy about exactly?
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Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: London Tribunal personal hearings morphing into hearings by video
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1. Not everyone is technically efficient.
2. Not all people will heave the necessary equipment.
3. How are panel hearings going to  take place?
4. Will those wishing to observe/listen in be required to give their names etc as is the current norm?
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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Quote from: Hippocrates on January 26, 2025, 10:54:38 am
1. Not everyone is technically efficient.
2. Not all people will heave the necessary equipment.
3. How are panel hearings going to  take place?
4. Will those wishing to observe/listen in be required to give their names etc as is the current norm?
Both the TPT and London Tribunals have in person hearings for those who are truly not able / capable of a remote hearing.

In the High Court you have to give your name and email address to observe proceedings because otherwise they can't email you the link. If someone is that bothered they can give their name as "Law Abiding Citizen" and a blatantly throwaway email address, but I'm not really sure why you'd bother. Attendance at a hearing is not conditional on giving your real name.
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Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: London Tribunal personal hearings morphing into hearings by video
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What about how many devices needed? When I attend in person, I use my laptop and have very little if no hard copies with me. This new system will require a change of modus operandi. Also, will the adjudicator be able to show me their screen?
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: London Tribunal personal hearings morphing into hearings by video
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Quote from: Hippocrates on January 27, 2025, 12:12:52 pm
What about how many devices needed? When I attend in person, I use my laptop and have very little if no hard copies with me. This new system will require a change of modus operandi. Also, will the adjudicator be able to show me their screen?
You definitely want to have two screens, you can't effectively conduct a hearing with a single laptop screen. I tend to pop the video call on my second screen and keep the docs on my main one, but that's a matter of personal preference.

Any participant can share his screen with the other participants, I've shared my screen with the adjudicator previously at the TPT. Just make sure to close anything unrelated to the case and disable any notifications (such as whatsapp web etc).
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Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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Do the council officers ever attend by video? Mine so far have only attended by phone.  :D
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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