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Re: How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?
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Quote from: coffee pot on February 16, 2025, 10:46:46 pm
You need a front end/ triage process - what happened? when? leading people very gently through the process

You still need oversight, the general public are extremely unreliable in answering questions, no matter how simple they may be. Add to that confusion over what a document is (i.e. PCN, FPN, parking charge notice that COULD be a PCN because it has the same letters), etc.

The design I had in mind was a flexible (graphical) wizard designer that could then produce a list of tabulated answers, simple conditionals to show/hide steps or go to a certain place in the wizard... so that those that know far more could actually design said questions and get the answers they want. It never got past the file upload/simple case preview stage as university comes first!
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I'm hoping to begin with this will triage at the first instance, and end by creating a post or minimally a body of text that can be posted in a post. The text will have hidden tags so that it can be fed back in at a later date to continue.

I've attached a VERY skeletal flow chart for members to comment on. I'll keep it up to date after each iteration, so may be a fresh thread would be better?

Forgive Powerpoint it's issues converting to pdf, I'll sort that later.


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Re: How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?
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Quote from: NigelJK on February 18, 2025, 03:44:57 pm
so may be a fresh thread would be better?

Go for it.
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Back to Kingston. Due to pressure from a certain person, they have now moved the camera to capture the reverse of all vehicles. This now ensures fairness to all and the likelihood of knocking into a lady with a pram or a cyclist is reduced!  8)
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https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

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Re: How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?
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Quote from: Hippocrates on June 14, 2024, 11:31:29 am
The impulses behind my question were as follows:

1. To encourage more motorists to fight their tickets - the general public. I did not wish to imply any direct involvement of this site or any individuals either.

2. To cut through the general apathy of most recipients - for whatever reason - who simply pay up at the first stage.

I have some ideas which would utilise media etc.

On a personal note, of course I am available to do more appeals if requested. I also know my limitations and strengths.  ;) And, I am improving.  8)
I was planning to post something on Instagram once one of my appeals is concluded to raise awareness among friends and family (I’m confident of success, thanks to the excellent advice received! 😊).

I’d like to reference the site if that’s okay. If there’s any standard messaging you’d recommend including, I’m happy to take suggestions—I actually found this thread while looking for guidance on that.

One key point I’ll be highlighting is the time required to appeal. Unfortunately, for some, this can be the biggest barrier to pursuing an appeal, and it’s important to set realistic expectations. Otherwise, a rushed or unprepared appeal could end up being more costly in the long run.

Any thoughts most welcome!
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How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?
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Well, I was wearing my silly hat in Waitrose tonight and have attracted more people to this site. They just do not how to fight for obvious reasons. Did a couple of videos too which I will publish in due course.
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How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?
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Back to Royal Borough of Kingston upon Thames. If you receive a ticket for a bus stop, please do not pay it!

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How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?
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Quote from: Southpaw82 on June 15, 2024, 02:07:23 pm
Depending on how much it would cost to deploy such a programme, does it need to be commercially viable? Much as support for FTLA would be appreciated, it is currently financed by me (others do much of the running of the site though).
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En garde, Porthos !
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Back to Kingston - yet again!

The infamous YBJ in Kingston Road New Malden.

https://t.co/Xx9WebQYix
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https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
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More Kingston incompetence.
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https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
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Re: How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?
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Who remembers this...?




Is there an FTLA version covering Council/Private that could be used to spread awareness and encourage appeals?
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Quote from: markie76 on November 28, 2025, 12:27:04 pm
Who remembers this...?




Is there an FTLA version covering Council/Private that could be used to spread awareness and encourage appeals?

No - not least for the reason that CP and I (as the owners of FTLA) haven’t approved it.
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