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Southpaw82

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FOTL and Other Misguided Folk
« on: July 03, 2023, 10:21:18 pm »
Because I find it funny…

Lewis v West Bromwich Building Society

Abuse of process of the High Court to frustrate possession orders in the County Court. Struck out with costs. Who is the mysterious ’Beresford’?
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Re: FOTL and Other Misguided Folk
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2023, 12:22:07 am »
"Beresford" was the middle name of Rt. Hon. Alan B'Stard MP. I hope this does not indicate a connection to any prospective Tory politicians closer to home...

The only surprising thing I gleaned from the judgment is the "Nonsuch Close" exists.
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« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2023, 12:01:40 am »
there are, surprisingly, a few nonsuch close's around. however the post code is wrong in the judgement
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« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2023, 10:24:54 am »
It's not really surprising. Nonsuch was a large and impressive palace built by Henry VIII near Cheam, and so Nonsuch was seen as an aspirational name by the builders of mock-Tudor suburban estates. SW London* is full of streets with such connections: Tudor, Anne Boleyn, Aragon, Cranmer, Wolsey, etc

* = Or for FOTL fans, Surrey
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Re: FOTL and Other Misguided Folk
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2023, 03:11:27 pm »
Here's an entertaining Twitter* thread by well known tweeting barrister @crimegirl that gathers examples of "oft cited cases that debunk Freeman on The Land nonsense" from various jurisdictions (UK, Canada, NI etc.)

https://twitter.com/CrimeGirI/status/1715714891468681579


* Not only do I refuse to call it X, I am going one further and will henceforth refer to Elon's rocket company as 'Space Twitter'.
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Re: FOTL and Other Misguided Folk
« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2023, 03:23:56 pm »
https://twitter.com/SurreyRS/status/1738644981005381947?t=CsEZbcjenWsNS30t6DUDNg&s=19

Remanded to court on the afternoon of Christmas eve, I'm not sure they serve Christmas dinner in police custody?
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« Reply #6 on: December 25, 2023, 06:02:48 pm »
I would ask for The Lark Ascending to be piped into the cell as there is wonderful statue of the composer outside the Dorking Halls.  :)
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Re: FOTL and Other Misguided Folk
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2024, 08:29:56 pm »
YouTube has loads of videos of these sovcit/fotl clowns. 

One was a court in the USA, some sort of hearing about whether someone in custody was getting out, and he was one of the clowns.

In the end the judge sent him back to jail, saying "and if you see Mr Smith the person, tell him he's not getting out either"
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Re: FOTL and Other Misguided Folk
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2024, 09:14:13 am »
Watched one recently where the Judge had clearly had enough, after the defendant introduced himself as the representative of himself the Judge pointed out it was a mandatory appearance and if the defendant wasn’t there he would be issuing an arrest warrant immediately, the SovCit soon changed his mind.
But then kept arguing jurisdiction and refused to state if he was ready for the pre trial examination (as the Judge said, I just need a Yes or No, NOTHING else) so was sent down for 30 days for contempt anyway.
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Re: FOTL and Other Misguided Folk
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2024, 07:16:22 pm »
I once heard a funny story, years ago, before all this sovcit malarkey (pre-internet too, so it might even be true) of an anarchist on trial for something, and at the end the judge asked him if he had anything to say before he passed sentence, and the guy said "I do not recognise this court".

Judge said "Well this court recognises you and sentences you to to 5 years imprisonment."
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Re: FOTL and Other Misguided Folk
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2024, 03:20:57 am »
The anti-ulez group on Bookface provides a breeding ground for the FOTL lot. Lads of people being given stupid advice having received copious quantities of ulez penalty charges, one contributor reckons he's got over 300 of them!!
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« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2024, 05:04:32 pm »
That's where the value of sites and forums like this one is demonstrated.

There are plenty of rational and sensible folks who might oppose ULEZ for all sorts of reasonable reasons and join those Facebook groups. Conversely, there are a small minority of cranks who oppose ULEZ because they think it's part of some global conspiracy to implant microchips in our brains and stop us finding out the earth is flat, or some other such nonsense.

Unfortunately, when someone seeking genuine advice stumbles across those groups, they often end up being advised by those least qualified to provide it.
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Re: FOTL and Other Misguided Folk
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2024, 08:22:08 pm »
There was another of those numpties on there again today. someone got a s172 over a speeding ticket. FotL says ignore it, it's motoring not a crime. I pointed out the bleedin' obvious that the Road Traffic Act is indeed criminal law and to ignore is likely to cost the errant RK £1000 and 6 points and victim support. Then the usual crap about there's no victim (which I think most of us agree with, it's a tax on crime) etc. and was laughed out. Let them find out the expensive way.

But a couple of others from that group have taken advice and my have taken advantage of the advice given freely on here.
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« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2024, 05:37:50 pm »
Quote from: DWMB2 on April 18, 2024, 05:04:32 pm
there are a small minority of cranks who oppose ULEZ because they think it's part of some global conspiracy to implant microchips in our brains and stop us finding out the earth is flat, or some other such nonsense.
The global conspiracy one is an interesting point, especially when they suggest that anyone who argues the Earth is round has been bought.

I once saw a scientist complain that they'd spent years debunking the flat Earth society but they'd never received any of their payments from the global conspiracy, and asking where they could complain about the outstanding payments  ;D
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« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2024, 11:06:12 pm »
I've wanted to see one of these over here for ages, @andy_foster I know these anny me possible almost as much as they annoy you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AEHMzYym5E

It's a shame we don't get to find out if the uninsured vehicle got crushed.
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