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Re: A new beginning
« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2023, 09:35:23 am »
AIUI, most of the outages have been due to issues with the hosting company's data centre - so other than getting updates the Admins were simply passengers.
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Re: A new beginning
« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2023, 10:49:04 am »
As if traffic signs weren't confusing enough, we now have 2 forums. Which one do we follow? Will they both continue?


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Re: A new beginning
« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2023, 12:06:53 pm »
I see no reason to shut this one down, it has far more modern forum software (pepipoo is basically abandonware) and if nobody is looking after pepipoo, it will eventually go offline. I note the accounts for pepited ltd are overdue so the company will eventually get struck off if the owners are no longer around to look after it.
I am not on the "motorists's side", nor am I on the "police/CPS/council's" side, I am simply in favour of the rule of law. Section 6 of the Interpretation Act 1978 applies to everything I post as it would apply to an Act of Parliament. I am a Conservative councillor, this means some people think I am "scum". I am not a lawyer.

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Re: A new beginning
« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2023, 03:21:15 pm »
I would now be very wary of copying reams of stuff across from the Pepipoo site until an expert gives a view on the copyright implications.

Pretty poor show not to have some indication of what the problem was and whether it would be fixed.

Leaving the Mods in the dark is an appalling lack of judgement.

Perhaps the "experts" do need to jump ship to teach them a lesson.

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Re: A new beginning
« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2023, 03:40:36 pm »
In all fairness to the owners of PPP, theyve done a sterling service over the years and have facilitated probably tens if not hundreds of thousands of people to get help. Im sure that something significant must have happened for PPP to be apparently abandoned.
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Re: A new beginning
« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2023, 05:47:54 pm »
I would now be very wary of copying reams of stuff across from the Pepipoo site until an expert gives a view on the copyright implications.
I don't think Pepiptec Ltd owns the stuff that you and I have posted?

I'm not sure there is much if anything that is owned by Pepitec that we would want to copy. Adjudicator's decisions are Crown Copyright, and posts are either in the public domain, or are owned by those who wrote them in the first place.

If any of your posts are copied onto here, I hope you're not planning on suing us?
I am not on the "motorists's side", nor am I on the "police/CPS/council's" side, I am simply in favour of the rule of law. Section 6 of the Interpretation Act 1978 applies to everything I post as it would apply to an Act of Parliament. I am a Conservative councillor, this means some people think I am "scum". I am not a lawyer.

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Re: A new beginning
« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2023, 08:09:26 pm »
Very well done to those involved in getting this site off the ground.

I was a little panicked last week as I may have a bus lane enforcement impending but sheer bad luck and poor observation perhaps.

However, probably best for me to wait for notification but at the moment I am on holiday so might not know until it's too late if something has dropped on the mat!

To lose PPP entirely, as archive or otherwise, would be an absolute tragedy. It is a good reference for all the fantastic advice that has been dispensed over the years by a core group of selfless and, mostly, patient individuals (iro of my sometimes idiotic questions and misapprehensions).

I've taken this opportunity to change my Username to avoid any embarrassing myself...  ::)

I should have used the Old English Hrōgār.

Keep up the great work, Southpaw82, Incandescent, Nosferatu et al.
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Re: A new beginning
« Reply #22 on: June 25, 2023, 05:15:06 pm »
So I take it both sites will be used for now?

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Re: A new beginning
« Reply #23 on: June 25, 2023, 06:03:21 pm »
So I take it both sites will be used for now?
I'm going to use encourage people to migrate to the new site as much as possible. Anything on the old site is potentially liable to just disappear.
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I am not on the "motorists's side", nor am I on the "police/CPS/council's" side, I am simply in favour of the rule of law. Section 6 of the Interpretation Act 1978 applies to everything I post as it would apply to an Act of Parliament. I am a Conservative councillor, this means some people think I am "scum". I am not a lawyer.

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Re: A new beginning
« Reply #24 on: June 27, 2023, 03:37:53 pm »
As a Pepipoo member since 2006 it's going to be a sad day when it does finally disapear. I wouldn't be too concerned with the loss of the old posts. The majority of it will be out of date anyway apart from the case law.

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Re: A new beginning
« Reply #25 on: June 27, 2023, 04:12:15 pm »
As a Pepipoo member since 2006 it's going to be a sad day when it does finally disapear. I wouldn't be too concerned with the loss of the old posts. The majority of it will be out of date anyway apart from the case law.
All the relevant case law we would ever want to cite is on the PCN spreadsheet, at least as far as council PCNs go.

Maybe one day someone will build an equivalent documents for private parking tickets & criminal cases.
I am not on the "motorists's side", nor am I on the "police/CPS/council's" side, I am simply in favour of the rule of law. Section 6 of the Interpretation Act 1978 applies to everything I post as it would apply to an Act of Parliament. I am a Conservative councillor, this means some people think I am "scum". I am not a lawyer.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

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Re: A new beginning
« Reply #26 on: July 06, 2023, 01:06:36 am »
Whilst the old site was out of date and highly insecure, I do think if people want a relaunched Pepipoo then it would be good to get it properly hosted rather than on a "free forum" type site where exporting the data will be equally difficult if/when the "free" company folds or decides to start charging fees.

Additionally, any ad revenue can go back into the running of the site.

Not saying it's not a good idea but I would think about ways that someone - probably a limited company - can own the site and control the data now. Better than having some spotty teenager in 'Murica be able to decide to delete the site because they received a scary letter on police letterhead.

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Re: A new beginning
« Reply #27 on: July 06, 2023, 11:55:48 am »
Not saying it's not a good idea but I would think about ways that someone - probably a limited company - can own the site and control the data now. Better than having some spotty teenager in 'Murica be able to decide to delete the site because they received a scary letter on police letterhead.
The site is hosted in the US, so it is protected by the first amendment (which is broader than Article 10 of the ECHR) and any letters from a UK police force are likely to end up in the bin.

That being said, things are being put in place via an offshore limited company.
I am not on the "motorists's side", nor am I on the "police/CPS/council's" side, I am simply in favour of the rule of law. Section 6 of the Interpretation Act 1978 applies to everything I post as it would apply to an Act of Parliament. I am a Conservative councillor, this means some people think I am "scum". I am not a lawyer.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

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Re: A new beginning
« Reply #28 on: July 07, 2023, 04:11:11 am »
As a Pepipoo member since 2006 it's going to be a sad day when it does finally disapear. I wouldn't be too concerned with the loss of the old posts. The majority of it will be out of date anyway apart from the case law.

Unless the pepipoo.com domain can be transferred, or pepitec.co.uk can be renewed, then both will go offline 30 days after the expiry of the pepitec.co.uk domain name (some time around November) as the nameservers will fail to resolve.

pepipoo.com is registered until 2027. So in theory, if the pepitec.co.uk domain is able to be re-registered by someone else, then pepipoo.com can be pointed to anywhere that the owner of pepitec.co.uk decides by simply returning different DNS records. This is only an option after full expiry, which will mean pepipoo.com will be offline for 65+ days.

I'm guessing i'm not the only one here that will try to nab pepitec.co.uk when it expires, and if I do, i'll let you guys here know.
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Re: A new beginning
« Reply #29 on: July 07, 2023, 11:26:06 pm »
The site is hosted in the US, so it is protected by the first amendment (which is broader than Article 10 of the ECHR) and any letters from a UK police force are likely to end up in the bin.

That being said, things are being put in place via an offshore limited company.
No idea what 1st amendment has to do with anything unless we're running a church.

Their privacy policy allows them to disclose anything they want. Maybe they would ignore any requests but to me it seems a bit short sighted to avoid a third party with no interest in the site controlling the data and potentially disclosing or even deleting it for any reason.

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I would say the relatively little extra work to create a self hosted forum would quite likely be worth it in the medium term and happy to help (used to work as a web developer) if there is interest. It should also be possible to get all the content from the old forum into a new one if it's self hosted so keep accumulated knowledge.