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Hi

I've received a NIP asking for driver information.  I've been able to logon and see the photographs.

From a bit of searching, I think the yellow lines are to measure the speed - should there be a second photo passing the other yellow line because there isn't one?

And again from searching, I understand the green circle is to identify the VRN of the car being measured, but in this case the circle is not on the VRN - does this give a way out?

Also, one of the photos is totally misted up so that nothing can be seen.  Does it give a way out?

NIP says the vehicle was recorded at a speed of 79 mph so from what I've read on the 'read this first' post it sounds like it has only just hit the threshold for prosecution. Not the best Boxing Day present I've ever had    <BR>




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Thanks. 

79mph in fog?
that had the possibility of attracting a DWDC I would have thought.

the second pic usually shows the previous gantry displaying the restricted speed but in this case there was no restriction.

Actually I rather like the idea of pleading not guilty and then in Sec. 8 of the PET form entering 'unable to see speed limit sign due to dense fog'.

That is the sort of thing that gets printed and put on the wall in HMCTS offices.

 

Quote from: Freecall on January 16, 2025, 10:41:34 am

Actually I rather like the idea of pleading not guilty and then in Sec. 8 of the PET form entering 'unable to see speed limit sign due to dense fog'which slso entered the car making it impossible to see the speedo was reading 9mph more than the national limit.

Fixed that for you 

To be pedantic, if the driver is traveling at 79mph, the speedo will be a displaying 83mph or so!

Just to clarify, that this was definitely not thick fog.  The photos from the two cameras are definitely different with the one supposed to show the speed limit signs looking like it's dense fog, but the speed camera looking like a light mist.  There's no way either me or my wife would be driving that fast if the fog was as it was in the speed limit signs camera.  Even the speed camera makes it look worse than it was.  It was Boxing Day and not that foggy - at least 500m of visibility.  I think the combination of a night photo and light fog makes the picture look worse than it was. 

I think the combination of a night photo and light fog makes the picture look worse than it was.

That may well be so. But whether or no it was foggy is not the issue. The issue is whether you were exceeding the speed limit.

 You do not seem to be disputing that it was your car (so that largely negates the issue about the green circle being used to identify the VRN of the car being measured). HADEC3 cameras measure a vehicles speed by radar. If you want to defend the charge you will have to cast doubt on its reliability. Bearing in mind that the device is assumed to be working correctly unless proved otherwise, what speed do you believe you were travelling at and what have you got in the way of evidence to prove that?.