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Zzippy

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Unlawful speed limit signage
« on: April 23, 2024, 05:24:54 pm »
I have to decide today whether to take the speed awareness course. Or maybe go to court on the unlawfulness of the signs?
Not exactly clear or readable are they? The camera van is approx 300m beyond those signs going from a 50 to a 30
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Re: Unlawful speed limit signage
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2024, 06:34:43 pm »
apart from the HUGE 30 letters painted on the road I would agree the signage is very poor.
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Re: Unlawful speed limit signage
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2024, 06:39:53 pm »
Apart from the fact the HUGE 30 signs are completely irrelevant under TRSGD without the appropriate legitimate signage your point stands  :D
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Re: Unlawful speed limit signage
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2024, 07:18:27 pm »
The issue you will face is if that is a restricted road, which it appears to be. Defective signage doesn’t present a slam dunk defence on a restricted road.
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Re: Unlawful speed limit signage
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2024, 07:32:05 pm »
Thank you Southpaw.
That's the issue with it being a 'restricted' road. Other signs in the area go from a 50 to 40 with similar 'unlawful faded signage' but they also have streetlights. Anyone would think if its about road safety. SAFETY signage would be a higher priority to maintain?
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Re: Unlawful speed limit signage
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2024, 07:38:57 pm »
Looking at the sign displayed no motor vehicle should pass it.
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Re: Unlawful speed limit signage
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2024, 08:02:11 pm »
You can just see the remnants of the 30 on those signs.
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Re: Unlawful speed limit signage
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2024, 08:08:01 pm »
Quote from: Southpaw82 on April 23, 2024, 07:18:27 pm
The issue you will face is if that is a restricted road, which it appears to be. Defective signage doesn’t present a slam dunk defence on a restricted road.
I take it you're referring to the obvious "system of street lighting"
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Re: Unlawful speed limit signage
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2024, 08:14:20 pm »
Which is interesting as at the other end of town the 'obvious'street lighting is going from a 50 to a 40. Which is not a restricted road. But also has virtually invisible unlawful signage as well.
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Re: Unlawful speed limit signage
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2024, 09:23:10 pm »
a system of street lighting + built up area + unreadable speed restriction signs.....
that would suggest erring on the side of caution at 30mph to me tbh.
I the instance to which you refer are the signs relevant?
what defence would you offer in court?
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