3. UK Red Light Camera – crossed stop line from right-turn lane to go straight (straight lane green). Any chance to dispute
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Re: UK Red Light Camera – crossed stop line from right-turn lane to go straight (straight lane green). Any chance to dis
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Quote from: NewJudge on Today at 11:56:22 am
It specifically refers to “filter lane” type signals. It clearly states that a driver may proceed beyond the stop line in the direction indicted by the arrow. This is what the OP did and I believe no offence has been committed.

Logically (dangerous word in statutory interpretation), for it to be otherwise, the traffic lights would need to be considered as 2 separate systems controlling separate junctions. From the GSV link, it is clear that it is a single set of lights.

edit: For the sake of sanity, it should be noted that the right turn arrow does not have the word "Only" painted under it, and therefore is not mandatory
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Re: UK Red Light Camera – crossed stop line from right-turn lane to go straight (straight lane green). Any chance to dis
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Quote from: NewJudge on Today at 11:56:22 am
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/contents

It specifically refers to “filter lane” type signals. It clearly states that a driver may proceed beyond the stop line in the direction indicted by the arrow. This is what the OP did and I believe no offence has been committed.
That sort of "filter lane" surely would be where there is a single set of lights where the main green light is not an arrow, and the green right arrow is part of that set of lights to the right of the main green? That allows you to move forward in the filter lane on the main green and even to make the turn if it's clear. The green right filter light then indicates you can go (with the usual caveats) as the oncoming traffic has been stopped by a red.

In this case there are essentially two sets of lights: one controlling ahead and left turning traffic; the other controlling right turning traffic. Each controls its own lane(s). I would hesitate to try to use your logic therefore to say there is no offence here. (Not saying I know the answer, just that I think your argument is shaky.)
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Presumably, NJ is referring both to Schedule 14 Part 1 Paragraph 5 (8 ) (b), and to filter lights (arrows) rather than lights that happen to be in separate filter lanes (which the above makes no mention of).

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedule/14
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(8 ) A green signal indicates—
(a)subject to paragraphs (b) and (c), that vehicular traffic may proceed beyond the stop line and proceed straight on or to the left or to the right;
(b)where the signal is an arrow, vehicles may only proceed in the direction indicated by the arrow;
(c)where the signal is a pedal cycle symbol, only vehicles which are pedal cycles [F1and electric scooters being used in a trial] may proceed.

For the benefit of the intellectually challenged, and for those that like to play with their food, how many stop lines are there? How many pairs of traffic light posts are there (ignoring repeaters in the distance)?
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