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Speeding Fine Refunded. Charged Again. I Did Provide Details!

Caught speeding in March this year (43 in a 30). Accepted the charge, paid £100 fine, received 3 points, filled forms in online. Gave all details requested in the form. Got a receipt.

Months later the £100 was refunded into my account and I received a letter saying I did not provide my licence details when asked. I had to fill in another form about the offence.

On this form I again accepted the speeding offence but I stated in the comments section that I did provide my licence details.

I then received a fine totalling over £550 and 4 points, which I had to pay within 28 days.

I paid that.

I have the original receipt from April saying £100 received, with my licence details on the receipt.

The offence was in West Yorkshire. Dealt with in the Bradford Magistrates Court. I do not live in West Yorkshire.

What can I do now? Any advice welcome.

Thanks

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On this form I again accepted the speeding offence...

What was this form? Was it  a "Single Justice Procedure Notice" informing you of court proceedings against you?

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I will have a look today. Although I have been told elsewhere this morning that admitting the offence, giving my driving licence details and paying my form online was not enough.

Apparently I should also have signed the paper copy of the form and posted it, which makes no sense at all as the online part was obviously to streamline and modernise the whole procedure.

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What can I do now? Any advice welcome.

You could start by telling us what happened.
I am responsible for the accuracy of the information I post, not your ability to comprehend it.

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Although I have been told elsewhere this morning that admitting the offence, giving my driving licence details and paying my form online was not enough.

Apparently I should also have signed the paper copy of the form and posted it, which makes no sense at all as the online part was obviously to streamline and modernise the whole procedure.

That's incorrect. You only need to sign a form when providing the driver's details. You get the request for those details when you are sent the "Notice of Intended Prosecution". You must have provided them in order to be offered a fixed penalty and if you didn't (or failed to sign the form) you would have been prosecuted for failing to do so. That offence carries six points, not four, so you have been convicted of speeding.

I've just noticed in your original post that you said you "received 3 points" after you had sent off your £100. Are you sure about that? How do you know? You also said you have paid the £550.

I'm guessing but this is my take on what probably has happened:

You were sent a NIP and a request for driver's details.
You responded by naming yourself as the driver.
You were offered a fixed penalty.
You paid £100 and provided your licence details.
The police failed to process your licence details (for whatever reason).
You were prosecuted for speeding and were sent a "Single Justice Procedure Notice" (SJPN).
You responded by pleading guilty to speeding.
You were sentenced in accordance with the normal sentencing guidelines.
You paid the fine/costs etc. and have four points on your licence.

If I'm right, the only option for you is to ask the court which convicted you to reopen your case and ask them to re-sentence you at the fixed penalty level. Whether or not they will agree to your request depends very much on what you received and how you responded

Check what paperwork you were sent and how you responded.

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Although I have been told elsewhere this morning that admitting the offence, giving my driving licence details and paying my form online was not enough.

Apparently I should also have signed the paper copy of the form and posted it, which makes no sense at all as the online part was obviously to streamline and modernise the whole procedure.

That's incorrect. You only need to sign a form when providing the driver's details. You get the request for those details when you are sent the "Notice of Intended Prosecution". You must have provided them in order to be offered a fixed penalty and if you didn't (or failed to sign the form) you would have been prosecuted for failing to do so. That offence carries six points, not four, so you have been convicted of speeding.

I've just noticed in your original post that you said you "received 3 points" after you had sent off your £100. Are you sure about that? How do you know? You also said you have paid the £550.

I'm guessing but this is my take on what probably has happened:

You were sent a NIP and a request for driver's details.
You responded by naming yourself as the driver.
You were offered a fixed penalty.
You paid £100 and provided your licence details.
The police failed to process your licence details (for whatever reason).
You were prosecuted for speeding and were sent a "Single Justice Procedure Notice" (SJPN).
You responded by pleading guilty to speeding.
You were sentenced in accordance with the normal sentencing guidelines.
You paid the fine/costs etc. and have four points on your licence.

If I'm right, the only option for you is to ask the court which convicted you to reopen your case and ask them to re-sentence you at the fixed penalty level. Whether or not they will agree to your request depends very much on what you received and how you responded

As Andy says, we need to know exactly what happened before proper advice can be given. Check what paperwork you were sent and how you responded.

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Mrs had a NIP recently. She's RK and was the driver. While her details were all submitted online, there was also a driver details form that had to be completed, signed and posted to the Fixed Penalty Office.
I guess people are ignoring this as they think the online submission and online payment is sufficient.
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