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I paid fine but have still received a SJPN
« on: December 03, 2024, 01:51:57 pm »
Can anyone kindly advise?

Back in July I received a notice alerting me that I'd done 35mph in a 30mph zone and I immediately paid the fine, took three points and filled in all the relevant forms online.

I got a receipt for the payment so can prove I made it.

This morning I got a Single Justice Procedure Notice saying that I have to again plead either 'guilty' or 'not guilty' and I'm totally confused as I paid the fine....!

I checked and also can't see any points on my licence?

Can anyone kindly advise me?  How can this happen?

Do I just fill in 'guilty' and add in the space given that I've paid???



Thank you in advance for any guidance.

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Re: I paid fine but have still received a SJPN
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2024, 02:06:17 pm »
This is a very common problem. Almost certainly you didn't provide your licence details when paying the penalty. The £100 will be refunded "in due course".

Plead guilty, and in the Mitigation section explain (briefly) that you paid, and ask nicely for the court to consider sentencing you at the fixed penalty. They don't have to, but it costs nothing to ask.

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Re: I paid fine but have still received a SJPN
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2024, 02:49:42 pm »
Thank you for your response, greatly appreciated.

I'm so angry with myself if I missed a request to provide licence details - I put them in the form I filled in online and just don't remember seeing any other request to do so.

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Re: I paid fine but have still received a SJPN
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2024, 03:29:59 pm »
By “the form online” do you mean in response to the notice requiring you to name the driver? Rather than a conditional fixed penalty offer?

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Re: I paid fine but have still received a SJPN
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2024, 03:32:21 pm »
Hi,  I filled in the online form acknowledging guilt and accepting the three points and fine. Then I paid the fine using a separate link.

I just don't recall seeing any additional request for my licence anywhere?

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« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2024, 03:45:11 pm »
I just don't recall seeing any additional request for my licence anywhere?

AFAIK, it’s required by law, so those details are very likely to have been requested.

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Re: I paid fine but have still received a SJPN
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2024, 04:29:40 pm »
AFAIK, despite the numerous things that you can now submit online, a COFP is still a paper document that is served by post. Payment can be made online, but the paper form would have instructed you to provide your licence details separately by post.

What the statute (section 75 of The Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988) requires is that payment is made to the "appropriate person", and that either your name, date of birth and licence number is provided to the "appropriate person", or that the "appropriate person" is satisfied as to your identity.

The appropriate person, for the purposes of payment is the fixed penalty clerk.
The appropriate person, for the purposes of identification is also the fixed penalty clerk.

If the requirements are satisfied, the driver cannot then [lawfully] be prosecuted for the offence to which the COFP relates (subject to not being liable to tot up).

As UK driving licences incorporate the holder's date of birth (in the form YMMDDY), it is not immediately obvious that satisying the fixed penalty clerk of your identity when making payment, and/or providing your date of birth by providing your licence number, does not satisfy the requirements of the legislation to avoid liability to prosecution for the offence, regardless of whether the police decided to make up and apply their own rules.
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Re: I paid fine but have still received a SJPN
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2024, 05:03:32 pm »
Thank you for that detailed response, I very much appreciate it.

There has been no refund of the fine I paid, so it seems rather unfair that they are apparently happy to accept that and certainly keep it at least thus far, while still summoning me to court...

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« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2024, 05:07:59 pm »
Hanlon's razor - never ascribe to malice that which can be adequately be explained by incompetence.
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Re: I paid fine but have still received a SJPN
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2024, 05:11:49 pm »
Thank you for that detailed response, I very much appreciate it.

There has been no refund of the fine I paid, so it seems rather unfair that they are apparently happy to accept that and certainly keep it at least thus far, while still summoning me to court...
When I wrote 'The £100 will be refunded "in due course"' I should perhaps have gone into full Sir Humphrey mode and said "in the fullness of time".

But seriously, from the posts I've seen it doesn't usually seem to be unduly delayed. Weeks rather than months.
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Re: I paid fine but have still received a SJPN
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2024, 05:12:59 pm »
Thank you for that detailed response, I very much appreciate it.

There has been no refund of the fine I paid, so it seems rather unfair that they are apparently happy to accept that and certainly keep it at least thus far, while still summoning me to court...
When I wrote 'The £100 will be refunded "in due course"' I should perhaps have gone into full Sir Humphrey mode and said "in the fullness of time".

But seriously, from the posts I've seen it doesn't usually seem to be unduly delayed. Weeks rather than months.





Thank you :)