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FDLEEDS

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Received in the post 'a notice of intended prosecution' to identify the driver, from West Yorkshire Police but the dates seem a little odd. Offence was a year ago (8.3.23) but they're only writing to me now (12.3.24). I can't remember who was driving that car a year ago.
It doesn't state the offence either. There are 5 options but they haven't circled/crossed out any, so I don't know what the offence was for. I assume speeding, as there hasn't ever been any interactions/accidents with any other party/police. I have 28 days to reply from date of letter.
I have attached the letter.
What should I do?

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Re: Received a notice of a motor offence but dates are off. England.
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2024, 03:24:03 pm »
Typo on date (year) I suspect, 8th March 2023 was a Wednesday and 2024 a Friday as stated.

As 14 days will have elapsed before any reply you receive I would simply write back asking for a clarification on the date, if the alleged offence is one for which a NIP is required it would IMO invalidate the NIP, it a NIP isn't required it would make no odds.  Arguably also if a NIP is required by failing to narrow it to anything it would fail to meet the overarching objective of a NIP.

Suspect this is a NIP arising from a report from a member of the public, dash or helmet cam, these tend to be dealt with 'less professionally' than the self detected speeding/red light offences.
« Last Edit: March 20, 2024, 03:33:07 pm by The Rookie »
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Re: Received a notice of a motor offence but dates are off. England.
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2024, 09:21:37 am »
How many drivers of the vehicle were there last year - if only one, and if that was you, and if the vehicle was even used on that date (8.3.23) (which you may or may not know), I would ignore the Friday (after all it is not your job to check what day the 8th March 23 was) and simply respond with the requested information and see what happens next.

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Re: Received a notice of a motor offence but dates are off. England.
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2024, 05:36:27 pm »
Would it be useful for OP to respond such that any further responses from the police would be after the first 14 days, so they cannot amend the request?



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Re: Received a notice of a motor offence but dates are off. England.
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2024, 08:23:53 pm »
I would suggest that, if we assume that any incident occurred on March 8th this year, if the OP responded by post tomorrow, the police would struggle to re-issue a corrected NIP and serve it within 14 days of the date of the incident.
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Re: Received a notice of a motor offence but dates are off. England.
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2024, 02:44:12 am »
Quite, I appear to not be able to add up today, nor know what bloody day it is.

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An Update for whoever may be remotely interested on my previous post.....

I sent the following letter.....

""""""""""
DSIT
DUDLEY HILL CENTRE
HARRY STREET
BRADFORD
BB49PH

1ST April 2024


Fao: ******* ******* DSIT - OPS SUPPORT
NICHE Ref. No: ********** Vehicle: ***********


Dear Sir,

I received a 'Notice of intended prosecution' dated 12th March 2024, some 12 months after an alleged offence on 8th March 2023.

Due to a number of anomalies; namely the incorrect address for yourselves, the fact that the offence is not highlighted and your correspondence was received in a rather dishevelled envelope, which was handwritten on sticky labels, I am wondering if this is some sort of 'scam' to obtain my details?

I have no idea what this offence relates to, as none of the 5 options (a - e) were highlighted.
In addition to this, it is hard to determine who was driving the vehicle because of the length of time that has passed since the incident. Therefore it is unclear as to which section of your enclosed form you wish me to sign.

Your correspondence also states that; 'the law requires that such notice will be sent within 14 days of the incident'. This is very confusing, as the offence was over 12 months ago.

Please could you let me know in a timely manner which part of the form you wish me to sign and how you wish to proceed with this matter.

In writing to you I have also amended the Postal Code of the address that you supplied on your correspondence (I have enclosed). It actually stated BB4 9PH, which I believe to be incorrect. I have re-addressed it to your Dudley Hill Centre, Postal Code: BD4 9PH.

I look forward to hearing from you shortly.


Yours sincerely,

*************
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Within a few days of sending this letter, I received a card (which I have attached), hand delivered to our address. We were not in or in the back garden when the police visited and the card was posted through our door.
I'm wondering what offence has been committed that warrants a police visit to our address? I am debating whether or not to contact them, as I would have thought the proper process should be followed up in writing?
I am genuinely surprised and bemused and wondered if anyone else has had a similar experience.
I was listening on the radio just yesterday about a debate about Police failing to attend burglaries and the like; So why is this so important to them, or is it? Or they would have prosecuted?
Yes, I know there is only one way to find out and that is to contact them but I just thought this would be of interest to some of you.


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Re: Received a notice of a motor offence but dates are off. England.
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2024, 10:59:20 am »
You've two choices:

1. Contact the officer and you will hopefully get to the bottom of this.

2. Ignore it and be prepared to take any consequences that might follow.

At the moment it appears that you have not fulfilled your obligation under s172 (to provide the driver's details). You may well have a strong defence to the charge (if one is brought) - especially if the allegation does indeed stem from an incident that occurred over a year ago. But if it was me I'd be rather keen to find out what it is all about.

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Re: Received a notice of a motor offence but dates are off. England.
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2024, 12:50:13 pm »
I can't see what harm it can do to contact the officer and ask what this is regarding?

As NewJudge points out the S172 offence might still be in play if you didn't respond to that request - which as I said you should do now even if it is past the 28 days.