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mickR

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Re: Single justice procedure issued for driving in lane with RED X
« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2025, 05:11:06 pm »
ask the highways agency for the logs.

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Re: Single justice procedure issued for driving in lane with RED X
« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2025, 05:25:59 pm »
Hi

I will email info@nationalhighways.co.uk (is that the correct email if anybody has done it before)
And ask about the logs. Hopefully they will provide me with some clarification on how long I had to move out of the lane before I was flashed.

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Re: Single justice procedure issued for driving in lane with RED X
« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2025, 06:00:45 pm »
I don’t think you are approaching this correctly.

The arrows advising you to change lane are not mandatory. They are advisory and are accompanied by yellow flashing lights. There is no penalty for ignoring them.

The red “X” is accompanied by red flashing lights and is mandatory. You must not proceed beyond it in the lane to which it applies. It does not mean you may do so if you are unable to move safely to an open lane. It is equivalent to  red traffic light and your only option, if you cannot change lanes, is to stop.

I cannot see how knowing how long the preceding “arrow” signs were illuminated will help you. The red X which you passed had been displayed for 30 minutes and it would have been visible from  good distance as you approached it.

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But if this isn’t recorded or logged then the judge would simply find me Guilty based on one photo of my car in the red X lane,

There’s every likelihood of that, with or without the information about the arrows.

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Despite me saying in court that the arrows were not clearly displayed in both lanes and did not give me enough time to safely move over before the red x was displayed..

Then in those circumstances you should have stopped. The court will be aware of that. It’s explained here:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/know-your-traffic-signs/motorway-signs-signals-and-road-markings#motorway-signals-and-variable-signs

“When red lights are flashing above your lane, you must stop unless you can move safely to a lane where red signals are not showing.”

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Re: Single justice procedure issued for driving in lane with RED X
« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2025, 01:30:07 pm »
Thanks - I understand however i still think there was not enough of a gap for me to move over or stop safely, as there were vehicles behind me. I did make effort to move over or stop, such as reducing my speed but did not want to cause a collision.

Would you advise me to plead guilty via post and accept 3 points?  I would like to avoid any penalty points, I already have 3 penalty points on my license albeit they expire next year.  I have been a full time taxi driver for over 30 years with no other driving offences or accidents in this time.

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Re: Single justice procedure issued for driving in lane with RED X
« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2025, 01:53:56 pm »
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i still think there was not enough of a gap for me to move over or stop safely

The gantries are designed so that they are visible from a minimum distance of 300m (roughly 10 seconds at 70mph).

If you know what your speed was (presumably much less than 70mph as there were lane closures) you will be able to work out the minimum time you would have been able to see the red X.

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Re: Single justice procedure issued for driving in lane with RED X
« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2025, 03:28:10 pm »
Thank you for all the advice. I think I will plead guilty to the SJPN and include a covering letter explaining the circumstances in the hope that they will show some leniency on the points. Perhaps offer me a motorway awareness course, although I completed one in February 2021

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Re: Single justice procedure issued for driving in lane with RED X
« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2025, 03:37:36 pm »
Thank you for all the advice. I think I will plead guilty to the SJPN and include a covering letter explaining the circumstances in the hope that they will show some leniency on the points. Perhaps offer me a motorway awareness course, although I completed one in February 2021
Sorry, three points is the minimum, there's no room for leniency. And the court cannot offer a course.

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Re: Single justice procedure issued for driving in lane with RED X
« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2025, 03:38:36 pm »
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Perhaps offer me a motorway awareness course, although I completed one in February 2021

The court has no power to order a course (whether you're eligible or not).