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Basshunter

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Two NIPs on consecutive days
« on: September 28, 2024, 09:42:04 pm »
Help please, I had to travel to Plymouth which sadly turned into three trips, then the following week I received two NIP's one for the Friday and one for the Saturday, I have been waiting for one to arrive for the following Tuesday 🙄 as I can't see how I missed it being a 20 mph zone.

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I live in Wales so used to 20 mph I have to hold the van in second as being semi-auto it jumps 2nd to 3rd back to 2nd as it's not happy to use 3rd. I have a clean licence but am wondering would it be possible to see these as one offence, as if I had been stopped by an officer I wouldn't have made the same mistake the next day 🤔 really am annoyed with myself and my sat nav always tells me if I am breaking the speedlimit, and I was relying on sat nav trying to find my way as they changed where I was going each day.
What is my best course of action, they are supposed to be sending a paper NIP at ten days which I thought would be better than doing it online 🤔

Thanks in advance sorry it's a bit messy it's not very easy on my phone
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Re: Two NIPs on consecutive days
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2024, 10:53:43 am »
It clearly isn’t a single offence, unless the two NIPs result from the same journey either side of midnight. You can return the NIPs together and ask the police to exercise their discretion and only proceed with one of them but they’re under no obligation to do so.
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Re: Two NIPs on consecutive days
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2024, 12:55:10 pm »
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...they are supposed to be sending a paper NIP at ten days which I thought would be better than doing it online

What do you mean by that?

What were the alleged speeds?
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Re: Two NIPs on consecutive days
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2024, 08:44:08 pm »
Quote from: NewJudge on September 29, 2024, 12:55:10 pm
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...they are supposed to be sending a paper NIP at ten days which I thought would be better than doing it online

What do you mean by that?

What were the alleged speeds?

Thanks for the reply, on the back it says "Devon and Cornwall Police are comitted to reducing our carbon footprint. As such we have reduced the volume of this letter by 50% and no longer include the notice to be posted back, we encourage everyone to use the online portal.
We appreciate that not everyone will be able to use this facility and if you still require the return by post version this will be automatically sent to you after 10 days if no portal response is received."


I thought sending it by post would be better as I could send the two together along with a letter?


On the 13/9 they say 27mph and on the 14/9 they say 25mph.





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Basshunter

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Re: Two NIPs on consecutive days
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2024, 08:54:19 pm »
Quote from: Southpaw82 on September 29, 2024, 10:53:43 am
It clearly isn’t a single offence, unless the two NIPs result from the same journey either side of midnight. You can return the NIPs together and ask the police to exercise their discretion and only proceed with one of them but they’re under no obligation to do so.

Thank you, I know it isnt a single offence but thought I had read in the past that you could try asking for discretion, hence asking for help. Still worrying there could be a third NIP in the post from 17th to go with 13th and 14th as if I messed up twice the odds are I did on third trip too.
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Re: Two NIPs on consecutive days
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2024, 12:01:54 pm »
You have 28 days to respond to the initial notice(s). It may be worth waiting until 14 days is up from your last visit to make sure no others follow in the post. 
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Re: Two NIPs on consecutive days
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2024, 08:15:49 pm »
Thanks Bert my last trip was on the 17th the same day first NIP is dated.
So I need to think about sending the two in, any ideas of what i should write asking for clemency or anything that might help my plight.
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Re: Two NIPs on consecutive days
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2024, 02:41:52 pm »
I would send both back together in the same envelope (take copies, get proof of posting from PO) with a grovelling letter; unfamiliar with area, not driven in Plymouth for a few years, road used to be 30mph, etc. In this mention that due to the enforcement being via unmanned equipment, and the journeys just one day apart, you did not have chance to modify your driving as you would have had you been stopped. I mean obviously not seeing the terminal signs, repeaters, 20mph marking on the roads is a major contributing factor here and they may just bin it after a chuckle and a mention of cheeky bar stewards, but if you don't ask you don't get. 

It is highly unlikely they will treat the two as a single offence, but it has been known for the Police to cancel a ticket where multiple offences of 3 or 4 instances have been recorded over a very short space of time. They may take pity even though it is just two offences.
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Re: Two NIPs on consecutive days
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2024, 08:15:31 pm »
Thanks Bert
That's what I was thinking of asking, but also thought I would mention that I had managed third  trip on the 17th without getting an NIP, and the fact I live in Wales with a clean licence so don't make a habit of breaking the 20mph limits.
Thanks for the help.
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Re: Two NIPs on consecutive days
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2024, 10:20:30 am »
I wouldn't mention the third trip. It gives the impression that you were aware and are capable of sticking within the limit. Go for the confused out of towner approach on the two trips they know about.

It is still unlikely they will entertain it, but you might get someone sympathetic to your plight. 
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Re: Two NIPs on consecutive days
« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2024, 09:33:53 pm »
As expected I am being done for both.
I have now had a conditional offer of fixed penalty for the first offence on the 13/9/24


Been offered a speed awareness course for the second offence on the 14/9/24

I do find it strange that second  offence gets a course and first get points 🤔 as I thought it should be the other way around?
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