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Hi,

Received SJP today with 8 offences:


1. 1/11/25 35mph in 30mph zone - A646 road 09:08am
2. 1/11/2025 36mph in 30mph zone A58 road 09:39am
3. 18/12/2025 27mph in 20mph zone C Lane road 07:55am
4. 18/12/2025 25mph in 20mph zone C Lane road 08:14am
5. 4/12/2025 failed to identify driver
6. 5/12/2025 failed to identify driver
7. 20/1/2026 failed to identify driver
8. 20/1/2026 failed to identify driver

I now have until 24/4/2026 to respond.

I was the driver at the time of all of the above offences which took place as 4 offences in 2 days.

I have no prior points or offences.

I did not receive any of the NIP's as these were sent to my previous address. I know because I have just confirmed with the DVLA that they still have my old address on record incorrectly.

I updated my tax and driving licence address but failed to update the V5 log book, this is my error.

My questions are:

1. What is my best course of action in terms of addressing the charges. As I understand my best option is to plead not guilty to all then try and deal to just admit the speeding offences but not the failure to respond to NIP? I'm not clear on this process
2. How could the SJP be sent to my correct and current address if all the NIP's were sent to my old and incorrect address? I have lived at my current address for 2 years and my vehicle is taxed at this address. Assuming the V5 address was never updated correctly.
3. I looked back on my whatsapp messages to see why I had driven down the same road twice (to my girlfriends house) that I would never normally drive down and it was in response to her dog experiencing a seizure and need help to get him down the stairs and into the van to take to the vets. This explains the speeding and using the same road twice. I'm sure not many judges would entertain this as mitigation but is it worth mentioning as it was for a genuine pet medical emergency which can be proven via vet records (of which the dog died)

Thanks
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Re: Received SJP - please advise on next steps
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You are really trying to strip this back to four speeding matters and defeat the four failure-to-identify charges, because that is what keeps the case proportionate and avoids four separate 6-point endorsements. The Single Justice Procedure, meaning a paper decision unless you ask for a hearing, is the wrong place to leave this to chance.

The prosecution must prove the charges so the court is sure. For the failure-to-identify counts, the real issue is not whether you were driving but whether the notices were lawfully served and whether it was reasonably practicable, meaning realistically possible, for you to reply. Notices can be treated as served if they were properly posted to your last known address, so the fact your licence or tax address was right does not necessarily help if the V5 keeper record was still wrong. That also explains how the SJP could later reach you: records may have been corrected or matched later.

My view is this. Do not plead guilty across the board. Ask for a court hearing. Plead not guilty to the four failure-to-identify counts. On the speeding counts, your honest position is guilty, but the practical aim is to have the case listed so you can invite the prosecutor to accept guilty pleas to the four speeding matters and withdraw the four failure counts. That is a sensible and common resolution, but not a right. On your facts, that route is arguable to realistic if you can prove genuine non-receipt and the address history; it weakens sharply if the court concludes the V5 omission was your own avoidable mess and that the prosecution served the notices correctly.

The hidden problem is that four low-level speeding offences usually fall in the 3-point band, so speeding-only can still mean 12 points and a totting-up ban, meaning a likely 6-month disqualification unless the court uses short bans instead of points or finds exceptional hardship, meaning hardship beyond the ordinary misery of a ban. Your dog-emergency point is not a defence, but it is worth advancing as mitigation, meaning background that may soften sentence, if the WhatsApp timings and vet records line up.

What independent, dated proof do you have for when you moved, what address the V5 actually showed, and when DVLA corrected it? How far are you willing to push if the prosecutor refuses a speeding-only basis and you need a trial on the failure counts? If court cannot be avoided, is your acceptable outcome keeping the licence, avoiding the failure counts, or simply limiting the damage? Before 24 April 2026, respond to the SJP, ask for a hearing, preserve every DVLA record, get proof of the V5 address history, the vet note and WhatsApp timestamps, and prepare a short chronology. Get urgent legal advice if the prosecutor will not drop the failure counts or if you may need a properly evidenced hardship case on 12 points.
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Re: Received SJP - please advise on next steps
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Thanks for your response, that all makes sense.

I have no proof of correspondence regarding a change of V5 address so difficult to prove anything on this front other than my own ignorance in the address changing process.

Honest question - am I screwed and doomed to accept 36 points at worst case scenario?

I can't believe after 20 years of driving with no points or penalties it can result in such a harsh outcome in one swoop. Not expecting sympathy, just the worst case scenario and best way to navigate.

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I updated my tax and driving licence address but failed to update the V5 log book, this is my error.

What do you mean by your “tax” address? How did the DVLA have your new address “for tax purposes” but your old address when the police interrogated the data?

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…am I screwed and doomed to accept 36 points at worst case scenario?

You won’t get 36 points. The worst case scenario is 24 (not that it makes much difference as far as disqualification goes). The speeding charges are dead ducks unless you plead guilty to them as the police have no proof that you were driving.

You won’t have to ask for a court hearing. Your case will not be concluded under the Single Justice procedure because, even in the best case scenario (four speeding charges with the "Fail to Provide" (FtP) charges dropped), you face a “totting up” ban. It will be adjourned to a hearing in the normal Magistrates’ Court and you will be asked to attend.

My advice would be to plead not guilty to all offences and in the “reasons for not guilty plea” section say that you are willing to plead guilty to the speeding offences on the condition that the “FtP” charges are dropped.

When you attend court you should ask to see the prosecutor before you are called into Court and repeat that offer. You could also ask if consideration could be given to combining any of the offences as having occurred “on the same occasion”. Looking at the timings, this is unlikely to be successful but if it is, it will see only one set of points imposed for the two offences, so avoiding a “totting up” ban.

If you do face such a ban, will you or others suffer “exceptional hardship”?



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I did not receive any of the NIP's as these were sent to my previous address. I know because I have just confirmed with the DVLA that they still have my old address on record incorrectly.

If the V5C previously had your correct details and you moved without notifying the DVLA in respect of your V5C, *they* did record your address incorrectly.

You also claim to have updated your tax address - assuming that you are referring to car tax, that is another lie. There is no address for car tax, other than the address for the RK on the V5C.

Currently, unless squaring the circle of updating the address for tax but not V5C discloses a defence, the prosecution will almost certainly be able to prove the 4 s. 172 offences but none of the speeding offences. That would nominally put you on 24 points, which being a number that falls into the category "12 or more" would trigger a totting up ban, unless the court found that such a ban would cause exceptional hardship.

The stock advice is to plead not guilty to all charges, and try to do the deal. On the face of it, this would nominally result in 12 points, which is also a number in the category "12 or more", albeit with less insurance unfriendly endorsement codes and lower fines.

Technically there are <x> potential ways to avoid a totting up ban -

1. Defend the charges successfully somehow - nothing you have told us so far indicates a viable defence other than exceptional incompetence from the CPS (beyond the level of incompetence that the CPS would typically exhibit). N.B. If the prosecution can prove that the notices were properly posted to your last known address, they *will be* deemed to have been lawfully served unless and until you can prove that they were not delivered (which would appear to be somewhat difficult as you were not living there). Not being aware of the notices does not in and of itself constitute a defence of not being reasonably practicable to provide the information - the court would look at the wider question of whether it would have been reasonably practicable to ensure that such notices were brought to your attention, such as by complying with your legal obligation to inform the DVLA of your change of address in respect of the V5C.

2. Persuade the court to go outside their sentencing guidelines to order a short ban for the lowest end speeding offence(s) - absent Special Reasons Not to Endorse (SRNTE), if convicted, the court are required by law to order either 3-6 points or a ban for each offence. The guidelines say not to order a ban to avoid totting, and not to order a ban for a band A offence. The court can go outside the guidelines must must give a good reason for doing so. Not. Going. To. Happen.

3. If the court finds that there is sufficiently compelling mitigation regarding the reasons for committing the offence, they can convict without ordering endorsement - SRNTE, Whether or not that particular bench on that particular day would find that you dying dog would constitute SRNTE would seem to depend on the bench on the day and the details of your argument.

4. If convicted of any 4 of the offences, if the court does not find that there are SRNTE, the court will order your licence endorsed with somewhere between 12 and 24 points. You could technically get 36 points if you pleaded guilty to the speeding offences without agreeing a deal first and were then convicted of the s. 172 offences, but that would require incompetence to coincide with bad luck. If the court finds that the mandatory 6 month totting ban would cause exceptional hardship (to you and/or to others) - that is to say hardship beyond that which criminals facing a 6 month driving ban would ordinarily face - they can reduce the length of the ban, potentially to no ban at all.

As regards doing the deal. Technically it is within the gift of the prosecution, not the court to agree to drop one charge in return for a guilty plea for another. We are only aware of one case where the offer was rejected, which appears to be as the result of a spectacular failure of the attitude test - the accused went out of his way to antagonise the prosecutor, who perhaps unsurprisingly said no deal. The widespread policy of dual charging is ostensibly a nicety to enable the accused to cop for the generally less serious underlying motoring offence, but they are not technically alternative charges, and should not be treated as such unless the SJPN paperwork. Some courts seem to enact the deal without involving the prosecutor (presumably by agreement with the CPS, as otherwise they would be acting unlawfully), and sometimes even without the accused even asking. Others, not so much.

On the basis that you cannot plead guilt to the underlying offence if you were not the driver, logically, failure to name the driver would be as a result of, one of four things - not receiving the notice as a result of moving without updating the V5C, receiving the notice but wilfully refusing to name the driver, not receiving the notice because it was honestly and 100% genuinely not delivered (which would be a defence), or because you don't know who was driving and could not with reasonable diligence work out who was driving (which would also be a defence and raise the question of whether you are entitled to plead guilty to the underlying offence). To the extent that the court's views on the commission of an offence you are no longer being prosecuted for matter (which is basically their disposition to a request to be sentenced at fixed penalty level on the grounds that you were not offered one, not because you were driving too fast, but because you failed to update your V5C), making the common mistake of not realising that the V5C needed to be updated separately from your licence (and tax????) is perhaps the least egregious one (excluding the examples which ought to see the accused defending the charge(s)).

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Thank you everyone for taking the time to reply.

To clarify the tax part - I assumed that the fact my car is taxed and has been taxed for the last 2 years that it was taxed to my current address. As well as my driving licence also having my correct address on. Again, incorrectly assumed on my part, that the DVLA would be aware of this. My error.

To summarise, my understanding then is that my best bet (albeit slim chances) is to:

1. Plead not guilty to all charges
2. Attend a hearing and ask the prosecution to make a deal to plead guilty for the speeding offences if the s.172 offences are waived
3. Apologise for my incompetence and ignorance that I did not realise the V5 log book address needed to be updated independently from my driving licence and assumed that paying car tax via direct debit method meant that the DVLA had my correct address
4. Provide evidence relating to one of the speeding offences (27 in a 20 zone) was directly in response to a medical pet emergency that resulted in the death of a dog with whatsapp messages and vet records.
5. Ask that one of the offences be sentenced at fixed penalty level or that a SAC be considered having never been on one before and previously holding a clean licence for near 20 years.
6. Hope and pray on the day

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5. Ask that one of the offences be sentenced at fixed penalty level...

Leaving aside the fact that there seems no justification for the court to agree to it, the fixed penalty level is £100 and three points.

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...or that a SAC be considered having never been on one before and previously holding a clean licence for near 20 years.

The court has no power to order a course. Only the police can do that and since they have now begun court proceedings that will not happen. Apart from anything else, they still don't know who was driving and they can only offer a course to the driver.

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To clarify the tax part - I assumed that the fact my car is taxed and has been taxed for the last 2 years that it was taxed to my current address.

What exactly do you mean by "taxed to my current address"?

The car is either taxed or it is not. Where it is and where you are living have no direct bearing on this. How long the car has been taxed for is meaningless without context.

Are you trying to tell us that you, as registered keeper, received a car tax reminder from the DVLA addressed to you at your current address?

When was it last taxed? How was it last taxed (12 months single payment. monthly direct debit, payment to the lease company, magic pixies?).

Please think carefully before replying. I have neither the time nor the qualifications for pulling teeth. If your answer requires more follow-up questions, I will be faced with the dilemma of continuing to lose the will to live, or simply closing the thread with a single click.
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To clarify the tax part - I assumed that the fact my car is taxed and has been taxed for the last 2 years that it was taxed to my current address.

What exactly do you mean by "taxed to my current address"?

The car is either taxed or it is not. Where it is and where you are living have no direct bearing on this. How long the car has been taxed for is meaningless without context.

Are you trying to tell us that you, as registered keeper, received a car tax reminder from the DVLA addressed to you at your current address?

When was it last taxed? How was it last taxed (12 months single payment. monthly direct debit, payment to the lease company, magic pixies?).

Please think carefully before replying. I have neither the time nor the qualifications for pulling teeth. If your answer requires more follow-up questions, I will be faced with the dilemma of continuing to lose the will to live, or simply closing the thread with a single click.

My car tax was set up online via direct debit. I assumed when setting this up you would provide your current address to the DVLA but it appears not.

I have not received a car tax reminder from the DVLA addressed to my current address. The reminders have been received via email, so again this is an incorrect assumption on my part.

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My car tax was set up online via direct debit. I assumed when setting this up you would provide your current address to the DVLA but it appears not.

I don't know why you would assume that. When your tax is due, the DVLA apply to your bank for £x and, if all is in order, the bank pays them what they ask for. Your address doesn't enter into it.

Anyway, none of that matters. You obviously did not update your V5C when you moved and unfortunately that puts you on the back foot.

[mod edit to avoid prolonging the detour - Now that we have established this (my emphasis above), there is no point in rehearsing how we went through the merry little dance!]

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