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Hi guys so i received a NIP at the time i was driving my truck it says driver not in position to have proper control-endorsable offence,ive claimed me as the driver already ive looked at the evidence photos theres 3 it says in image 1 mobile phone usage but i cant see a mobile phone in any of the images neither can claude ai or chatgpt,so i think they have gone for the lesser offence of not in proper control,my question is how can they see this from images as im sat up straight in normal seated position cant see my head in any of the images only thing you can see is my right hand is not on steering wheel is reaching over to left hand cant identify a mobile and i have zero idea what im doing i dont use my mobile at all when driving everything is bluetooth and comes through my built in system,i will wait and see what exactly there are trying to prosecute me for before i decide whether to get a solicitor.
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It would probably be worth showing the photos on here. (Use an image hosting site)

Be aware that, depending on the device used, these might be still images from a video which may show an offence more clearly.
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where was the offence? - some uk police are using non approved devices to capture such offences.... maybe a bit of an abuse of process as they cant prove using a  phone offence &  aiming for a lower offence ...what evidence of the lack of control do they have... probably none.
Driver must still be named though - dont risk a fail to nominate offence.
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Are you an owner/operator or do you drive for a company? Asking so we can find out if the s172 letter has gone direct to you or your employer. Does the cab have internal CCTV or cab-facing dashcam like some have.
Bus driving since 1973. My advice, if you have a PSV licence, destroy it when you get to 65 or you'll be forever in demand.
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where was the offence? - some uk police are using non approved devices to capture such offences.... maybe a bit of an abuse of process as they cant prove using a  phone offence &  aiming for a lower offence

What exactly are these non-approved devices and where was it stated they were not type approved? Given that video/camaera evidence is not needed anyway, it seems a bit of a stretch.

However as using a hand held mobile device is not the offence alleged, it is probably not relevant either.
Last Edit: September 30, 2026, 09:58:43 am by BertB
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I suggest that the mobile phone issue is a red herring.

There is no allegation that you used one, only that you did not have proper control of the vehicle. I have to say that reaching over to your left with your right hand is a fairly strong argument to support that.

The police might offer you a “What’s Driving Us?” course which will cost you about £100 (though I believe some forces will not offer courses when the vehicle involved is an HGV). If not, a fixed penalty (£100 and 3 points) will be the probable alternative.

The decision for you will be whether to accept whatever offer they make or go to court and plead not guilty. If you are convicted following a trial you are unlikely to leave with any change from £1,000.