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NIP traffic light camera, Shoot Up Hill London NW2
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I've received the enclosed NIP for breaching a red light.

Image NIP 172 ATS 1 in the May 2026 album
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Image NIP 172 ATS 2 in the May 2026 album
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I have no recollection at all of doing that and I'm not in the habit of running red lights.

I note from the NIP that the signal was red for over 30 seconds. The photo evidence provided shows my vehicle stationary past the white line, therefore I believe I was entitled to proceed. Can I contest the NIP on these grounds?

Photos enclosed from the enforcement camera.

Image evidence1 in the May 2026 album
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Image evidence2 in the May 2026 album
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Image evidence3 in the May 2026 album
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Re: NIP traffic light camera, Shoot Up Hill London NW2
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Looks to me like you passed the stop line when the lights were on red (bottom left image vs bottom right), so not sure why you think you were stationary?

Looks like a slam dunk for the police to me. Take whatever is offered.
« Last Edit: Yesterday at 08:23:21 pm by FuzzyDuck »

Re: NIP traffic light camera, Shoot Up Hill London NW2
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The photo evidence provided shows my vehicle stationary past the white line, therefore I believe I was entitled to proceed.

If nobody actually looks at the photographs, and you don't mind risking a custodial sentence for perjury or perverting the course of justice, if you were already fully beyond the whites line(s) when the lights turned red then, ignoring that the restriction also applies to the preceding amber light, subject to the defence of it not being safe to stop, you do not commit the offence.

The offence is committed if any part of your vehicle crosses the stop line (or either of the stop lines where there is also an advanced stop line) in the forward direction while the red light (or amber light is it would have been safe to stop) is showing.

Regardless of what absurd basis upon which you are claiming that the first photo shows your vehicle stationary, whilst it is past the advanced stop line, it is not past the conventional stop line. The light is showing red. There is no *the* white line when there are two applicable white lines.

Whilst the red light was showing your vehicle clearly crossed the conventional stop line and had proceeded half way across the junction.It had crossed that line while the light was red. If you look at the position of the pedestrians stepping out onto the crossing in the first picture and compare with the second picture, the time between photos was very short, and you would have needed to seriously launch your car to cover that distance from your fictitious standstill - which would presumably be evident both from the rear of your car squatting down and the pedestrian on your nearside diving for cover.
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Re: NIP traffic light camera, Shoot Up Hill London NW2
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You should be convicted just for putting a roof rack on a Cayman 🤣
I am not qualified to give legal advice in the UK. While I will do my best to help you, you should not rely on my advice as if it was given by a lawyer qualified in the UK.
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Re: NIP traffic light camera, Shoot Up Hill London NW2
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That time into red is going to court regardless.

Pleading not guilty on the basis of those photos is going to be an expensive day out.