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Hello gang,

At the beginning of August I was photographed speeding by a mobile speed camera doing 51 in a 30. Completely my fault, it was an unfamiliar country road on an incline leading into a village that was obscured by trees, I 100% missed the 30 speed change sign and when I rounded the corner and saw the houses it was too late. Like I said, hands up my fault.

Having gone through all the process of providing my details I am now waiting for my court summons which should be soon as the six month period for the police to notify the court is almost up, and from research online I think a lot of people get there summons a few days or weeks after that.

I have been struggling with this mentally, as I am an autistic woman and breaking rules is very difficult for me, so I have been devastated in myself but am ready to accept my punishment and I have been saving up as much money as possible to hopefully pay off the fine immediately. The issue I would like advice on is thus:

The offense occurred when I only had my license for 18 months, so I know that this will be 6 points and my license will be revoked. I have been putting in preparations for this and told my job. I work in care and travel for myself and the adults in the service, and my boss has been nothing but supportive but is now asking me if I want her to write a letter to take to court where she will tell them that driving is essential to my job and the wellbeing of our service users (my job is specialised and there is no one else who can do it). She thinks there is a chance the magistrates may do something like only give me 5 points and a bigger fine. I am unsure, as everything I have read online seems to indicate otherwise.

Is this something I should do? Would it harm my court hearing or could this actually help? What should I do?

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P.G. Woodhouse famously transferred adverbs to be an adjective of the object - "he smoked an nonchalant cigarette", but I suspect that even he might struggle with the concept of a court hearing being harmed.

On conviction, the court are bound* by law to order your licence to be endorsed with either 3-6 points or to ban you from driving, The court also has sentencing guidelines which they are not strictly bound by, but would need to justify deviating from. Sentencing for speeding is largely paint by numbers, although mitigation can be considered.

Their guidelines for 41-50 are 4-6 points** and  for 51+ are 6 points or a 7-56 day ban. Ordinarily, you would be almost certainly looking at 6 points. The courts have specific guidance not to issue a short ban to enable the accused to avoid a revocation under the Road Traffic (New Drivers) Act 1995.

The court could give you 5 points to enable you to avoid revocation if they considered it appropriate to do so. Whether or not they would be likely to is entirely down to them on the day.

Absent coming across as a "weapons grade Karen" and telling them that they *can't* give you 5 points as you are too important/entitled, it is difficult to see how the proposed letter would harm you case, other that it would almost certainly require an in person hearing to stand any chance of persuading the bench to step outside of the guidelines, as opposed to dealing with everything online/by post.

"I appreciate that your worships' guidance is to give me 6 points, which will result in my licence being revoked, but I would respectfully ask you to consider.."

* Absent special reasons not to endorse which concern the reason the offence was committed, not the effects of the punishment. And didn't see the sign (assuming that it was there to be seen) wouldn't cut it.

** The guidelines include the option of a 7-28 day ban for 41-50, but absent serious aggravating factors, very unlikely. Not applicable to your case anyway
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It won’t do any harm, but…

The revocation of your licence when you reach six points is not a judicial decision taken by the court. It is an administrative procedure undertaken by the DVLA and the court has no control over it.

The only way to avoid revocation is to persuade the court to impose an alternative to six points. There are two alternatives:

1. Impose fewer than six points. The sentencing guideline for 51mph and above is six points. For speeds between 41mph and 50mph it is 4-6 points so, even if your speed was (say) 48mph, being near the top of the range would have probably seen six points as well, though the court would have had more discretion to impose perhaps five as it is within the guidelines. For 51mph the guideline is six points, end of.

2. Impose a short ban instead of six points. Strangely (perversely some may think) being subject to a disqualification of any length does not see licence revocation. You could ask the court to impose a ban (and the guideline suggests 7 to 56 days) instead of points. If the court would normally have imposed six points (and in most cases they would for 51mph) they would have to consider why they were imposing a ban instead. If the answer is simply so you can avoid the consequences of the New Drivers’ Act, they will be reluctant to do so because, as Andy says, they have guidance that suggests they should not.

That said, a letter from your employer may sway them to take one of the two options.

You will receive a “Single Justice Procedure Notice” rather than a summons and you will have the option to either have the matter heard in your absence under the SJ procedure or you can opt for a personal appearance in court. You might want to consider whether you are content to convey your requests in writing to the court or if you would prefer to appear in person to explain all the circumstances.
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Thank you two very much for your knowledge and kind replies. I wonder if, for me, asking for a ban length which the magistrates think is appropriate would be better than the points as the 'tism makes it a little more difficult for me to do things like organise tests and deal with unknown waiting times (if someone says to me 'we will meet between 8 and 10' this will send me into a spiral, I need them to say 'we will meet at 8:30' and then I will be there 30 minutes early because I have stressed myself out over being late, as an example).

I am absolutely happy to take the 6 points and re-test, but if a magistrate said 'you cannot drive for 20 days' I think this would be less stressful for me as I would have a definitive end point, even if logically I know it may be faster for me to get back on the roads if I can pass my provisional and get lucky with a cancellation for practical.

I think mostly I am worried about potentially annoying the magistrates, as I just want to go in, take my punishment and then leave and sort my life out. I don't want to be seen as trying to 'game the system' or wiggle out of things.

I will talk with my boss about it, think on matters and let folk know what happens.

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Whilst others might have greater knowledge in this area, I am aware of specific guidance against giving a short ban to avoid revocation, but I am not aware of any specific guidance against giving fewer points foe that purpose.

Whilst the OP might find the process particularly stressful, the courts in my experience are unlikely to be swayed by this - although foreign criminals have avoided deportation over weaker arguments.
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...but I am not aware of any specific guidance against giving fewer points foe that purpose.

Of course you are right about the guidance concerning a ban as an alternative to points, Andy:

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/explanatory-material/magistrates-court/item/road-traffic-offences-disqualification/8-new-drivers/

I’m not aware of any similar guidance addressing the issue of imposing fewer points than the guidance suggests. However, I think most Magistrates will be aware of the last couple of sentences of the above guidance:

“This will avoid the requirement to take a further test. Generally, this would be inappropriate since it would circumvent the clear intention of Parliament.”

Despite the option in the guidelines which provides for a ban, 51mph in a 30 limit is more or less a nailed on six points. It would be unusual to see a discretionary ban. So with that in mind, if the court is asked by the defendant to impose fewer than six points and it is clearly intended to avoid the consequences of the New Drivers’ Act, Magistrates should consider whether they, too, are being asked to circumvent the will of Parliament. I don’t really see any difference.

Another point worth a mention is that in imposing fewer than six points, the court would be sentencing outside the guidelines and a reason should be provided for doing so. I cannot see a Bench being prepared to announce that they are acting that way solely so as to avoid Parliament’s will.

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If Parliament had intended that all such cases would invariably lead to a revocation, they could have legislated accordingly. The courts are bound by the law and guided by guidelines. They would need justification to step outside of the guidelines. Whether the OP's circumstances would constitute such justification, and whether the court would be minded to exercise its discretion is another matter.

Conversely, if the court found that the interests of justice in a given case would be better served by enabling a defendant to avoid revocation, but decided that they were not entitled to circumvent the will of Parliament by so doing, they would have erred in law by unduly fettering their discretion.
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As an update, I received my SPJN today which has made me very happy, because I feel like I can progress with this and the outcome is soon.

As I'm sure you guys already know, I have the option to plead not guilty, guilty and request a court hearing or guilty and not request a court hearing.

I am going to fill out the form and plead guilty - no court hearing and include my boss' letter in the pack and send it all back on Monday so I can snaffle an envelope at work.
« Last Edit: January 25, 2025, 01:03:20 pm by MandM »

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Hello everyone! I'm back very soon with good news! I received a letter today (was expecting] longer as I only submitted online on Monday) and the outcome is a £602 fine (already paid) and 5 points!!

I am very happily surprised by this, as I ended up not actually submitting the letter from my boss. I instead explained about my disabilities and asked politely to be considered for a disqualification if possible. Well I guess whichever magistrate looked over my case was having a great day (and may they have many more) as I got points and the fine instead. I am thinking that instead of giving me a discount on the fine they decided to drop the points down? Who knows. This was the best possible outcome and if the person who worked on my case sees this, thank you from the bottom of my heart.