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Does 14 days notice requirement apply to the nominated possible driver?

Automatic camera device= Speed 24mph on a 20mph road.
Camera images are of the rear of the vehicle and not high resolution.

Offence date: 03/Sept/24.
NiP date: 24/Oct/24, delivered to registered keeper, 50 days later.
Registered keeper and owner V5 log book address is correct and have not changed in the past 5 years.

Registered keeper completed online acdp.met.police.uk with: Not the driver at the time and provided the "Possible driver" details.  Note was added, as provided images are of the rear of the vehicle it's not possible to identify the driver for that day and questioned the 14 days notice.

NiP date: 07/Nov/24 delivered to nominated possible driver.
Completed and posted paper NiP with: Driver on this occasion. Attached letter outlining that unsure who was the driver on that day and questioned the notice not served within the 14 days.

Received reply letter: 19/Nov/24 (see attached image) that outlines there intention to proceed.
Received offer letter: 20/Nov/24 offer of National speed awareness course.
Sent reply letter: 21/Nov/24,  again pointing out the primary NiP not served within the legislations 14 days notice timeframe and included a copy of the primary NiP issued to the registered keeper.

It's now the 30/Nov/24 and I've not received a response.
Have I got this wrong?

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Re: Does 14 days notice requirement apply to the nominated possible driver?
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2024, 01:20:18 am »
The late NIP defence (for current purposes - that no NIP was served on the RK within the 14 days) applies to whoever is prosecuted for the speeding offence. The requirement is deemed to have been complied with unless and until the defence can prove otherwise (on the balance of probabilities).

Most likely from the timings is that a previous NIP was sent in time to be served within the 14 days and that your "primary NIP" was a reminder.

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Completed and posted paper NiP with: Driver on this occasion. Attached letter outlining that unsure who was the driver on that day and

In English please?
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Re: Does 14 days notice requirement apply to the nominated possible driver?
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2024, 09:26:21 am »
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Completed and posted paper NiP with: Driver on this occasion. Attached letter outlining that unsure who was the driver on that day and questioned the notice not served within the 14 days.

I also do not understand.

Your letter says whoever wrote it cannot be sure who the driver was. So who have the police offered a course to?

None of the issues you raise (the possibly late 1st NIP, the uncertainty of the driver's identity or the allegedly defective signage) will be dealt with by the police. If the course they have offered is not accepted they will simply begin a prosecution in court. By then the chance of a course or fixed penalty will be lost. They have six months o do this and in many areas they take all of that period.

 


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Re: Does 14 days notice requirement apply to the nominated possible driver?
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2024, 12:28:04 pm »
Ok, little bit of confusion here.

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Completed and posted paper NiP with: Driver on this occasion. Attached letter outlining that unsure who was the driver on that day and...

On the NiP it asks in Section 1, were you the driver on this occasion.
Tried to complete the process online but when accepting "driver on this occasion" was selected it said that it must be completed using the NiP letter and returned in the post.

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Re: Does 14 days notice requirement apply to the nominated possible driver?
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2024, 12:33:32 pm »
Does 14 days notice requirement apply to the nominated possible driver?

If you mean someone nominated by someone else earlier in the chain, no. How could it when they had 28 days to respond?

Completed and posted paper NiP with: Driver on this occasion. Attached letter outlining that unsure who was the driver on that day and...

You should expect to be prosecuted for not naming the driver.

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Re: Does 14 days notice requirement apply to the nominated possible driver?
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2024, 12:36:17 pm »
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Most likely from the timings is that a previous NIP was sent in time to be served within the 14 days and that your "primary NIP" was a reminder.

Only two NiP letters sent/received form the CPS.  One to the registered keeper and the other to the nominated driver.
The NiP to the registered keeper doesn't mention reminder, so I guess it's the primary notice.
This same NiP is dated 24/10/24 which is 50 days after the alleged offence of 03/09/24.

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Re: Does 14 days notice requirement apply to the nominated possible driver?
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2024, 12:45:04 pm »
So, you know by guessing that no previous NIP was sent?
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Re: Does 14 days notice requirement apply to the nominated possible driver?
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2024, 12:49:24 pm »
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Only two NiP letters sent/received form the CPS.

That doesn't mean that only two were sent. If (as is very likely) the police claim that an earlier NIP was sent which met the 14 day requirement, it will fall to the person defending the speeding charge to rebut that.

But once again, who have the police offered a course to?

As sp suggests above, if the course is not accepted and the case is prepared for court, somebody will probably realise that you have made no unequivocal response to the request for driver's details and you will be prosecuted for that.
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Re: Does 14 days notice requirement apply to the nominated possible driver?
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2024, 01:03:11 pm »
Reading between the lines and based on previous accounts, it would seem that the Met ask the recipient, if he was not the driver, to nominate the probable driver.

It appears that the "probable driver" admitted to being the driver, but added "yebbut it might not have been me".

I would suggest that either might struggle with any defence that requires the court to find them credible witnesses.
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Re: Does 14 days notice requirement apply to the nominated possible driver?
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2024, 07:18:05 pm »
andy_foster has the correct understanding.
The registered keeper and the nominated driver know each other and occasionally swap vehicles, but during the specific timeframe used each vehicle a few more times than usual due to breakdowns etc.

The main question I have is, does the 14 days service of notice get reset once a registered keeper has nominated the driver?



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Re: Does 14 days notice requirement apply to the nominated possible driver?
« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2024, 07:49:43 pm »
The main question I have is, does the 14 days service of notice get reset once a registered keeper has nominated the driver?
The 14 days only applies to the initial notice, normally sent to the Registered Keeper. Subsequent notices have no specific time limits.
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Re: Does 14 days notice requirement apply to the nominated possible driver?
« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2024, 07:55:15 pm »
The main question I have is, does the 14 days service of notice get reset once a registered keeper has nominated the driver?

You could try reading the answers you are given, rather than asking the same question over and over again.