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Hugopeel

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License Revocation Under New Drivers Act
« on: October 30, 2024, 09:48:53 pm »
Evening all,

Caught doing 51 in a 30 in February, Flowers hill, Bristol. Acknowledged being driver of the vehicle then radio silence until today (Oct 30th) when I received a letter saying they are revoking my license due to 6 points before 2 years of driving. No option to appeal the points before they were awarded? I feel as though I've missed a step. Can I appeal this? I need my car for my job as I commute from far. I can speak well for myself and happy to speak in court.

Any support appreciated regarding appeals process or general advice and tips.

Thanks

Hugo
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Re: License Revocation Under New Drivers Act
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2024, 10:08:46 pm »
You seem to have missed the SJPN and been convicted in your absence (the Single Justice Procedure would have been in your absence anyway, but I digress).

Read the statutory declarations sticky.

However, the sentencing guidelines for 51 in a 30 say 6 points or a short ban (7-56 days) for 51+ in a 30 limit, so unless you have a defence you would probably find yourself back in the same position, albeit potentially with a smaller fine if you get a discount for a guilty plea and/or your relevant weekly income is less than the presumed £440.

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Re: License Revocation Under New Drivers Act
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2024, 10:12:06 pm »
I think you've missed a step.

You should have received a "Single Justice Procedure Notice" informing you of a prosecution against you. If you didn't receive this or didn't respond to it the matter will have been heard in your absence. Six points is pretty much "nailed on" for 51 in a 30mph limit and as soon as the DVLA learns of those points it will revoke your licence. There is no appeal against that process. I take it you have received nothing from the court informing you of the outcome and ordering you to pay a fine and costs, etc.? Have you changed address since the date of the offence?

The way to deal with this is to perform a "Statutory Declaration" to have the conviction removed. There is a "sticky" at the top of this part of the forum describing the process.

That said, you will face the charge again and as I said, six points is pretty much a certainty. You can opt for a court appearance and ask the court to either award fewer than six points or instead impose a short disqualification (disqualifications do not trigger revocation. The court is unlikely to accede to that request because their guidelines suggest that six points is the appropriate penalty. To impose anything else would be doing so simply to circumvent the New Drivers' Act. But it's your only realistic option to try to avoid revocation.

I take it you are the Registered Keeper and that you received a Notice of Intended Prosecution within 14 days of the offence?

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Re: License Revocation Under New Drivers Act
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2024, 10:21:06 pm »
Yes looks like I've missed the SJPN. But regardless it seems that I wouldn't be able to win an appeal?

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Re: License Revocation Under New Drivers Act
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2024, 10:22:13 pm »
Depends what you mean by “win an appeal”?
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Re: License Revocation Under New Drivers Act
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2024, 10:27:44 pm »
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But regardless it seems that I wouldn't be able to win an appeal?

We know what you mean but you should understand that you won't be "appealing". What you will be doing is pleading guilty to the offence but explaining your circumstances to the court and asking them to sentence you outside their guidelines. I believe this stands little chance of success but it will not cost you anything to try (unless you have a particularly high weekly income and you have been sentenced by a court who did not have knowledge of that).

An important point. When you say "Yes looks like I've missed the SJPN" are you certain you did not receive it? Or perhaps to put it another way, are you sure you had no idea that a prosecution had been taken against you?
« Last Edit: October 30, 2024, 10:30:37 pm by NewJudge »

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Re: License Revocation Under New Drivers Act
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2024, 11:59:48 pm »
are you certain you did not receive it? Or perhaps to put it another way, are you sure you had no idea that a prosecution had been taken against you?
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I was waiting on the letter but it never arrived to me. I had no idea a prosecution had been taken against me until the letter arrived. Thank you for explaining what I mean by "appealing". If pleading with the courts for less than 6 points in exchange for a fine/driving course is unlikely to work would you say it's worth the effort?

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Re: License Revocation Under New Drivers Act
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2024, 08:21:10 am »
There is no question of a course being offered. Your speed was far too fast for the police to offer one and the court has no powers to order one. All you can do is to perform a statutory declaration and plead guilty to the charge when it is put again to you. Then explain your personal circumstances and the effect revocation has, and ask the court to either impose fewer than six points or impose a short disqualification.

My view, as I said, is that it has a very small chance of success but it won't cost you anything except a bit of your time.

A couple of things you should be aware of:

It probably explains it in the DVLA letter but since they have revoked your licence you should not drive. However, you are not disqualified from driving. You can apply for a new provisional licence immediately and begin driving (in accordance with the conditions of that licence) as soon as you have it. You can also then apply to resit your test. The good news (if there can be any) is that you cannot suffer revocation for this reason a second time.

If you have not already done so, you should contact the court where you were convicted to find out at what stage the enforcement of your fine/costs etc. has reached. Most courts allow 28 days for payment and may then instruct bailiffs to secure collection.




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Re: License Revocation Under New Drivers Act
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2024, 08:01:57 am »
Question that the OP may not have thought of, and to which I don't know the answer myself:

If they do a Statutory Declaration, the penalty (points, etc.) will be removed pending the reinstatement of the charge. But what about the licence revocation? Does that stay in place? Will it eventually be reversed once the DVLA get updated? How long will that take and does the OP need to assume no full licence until then?

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Re: License Revocation Under New Drivers Act
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2024, 08:42:28 am »
I believe the revocation must be reversed by the DVLA and the OP must assume he has no licence (or at least only a provisional if he applies for one) until then.

You make a good point because in the time it takes to see this all completed the OP can be making arrangements to re-take his test (although I know in some areas the waiting time for a test is significant).

That said, I believe it is more likely than not that the court will side against the OP and his licence will remain revoked. I think if it was me I would be making those arrangements now anyway.

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Re: License Revocation Under New Drivers Act
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2024, 10:22:37 am »
I believe the revocation must be reversed by the DVLA and the OP must assume he has no licence (or at least only a provisional if he applies for one) until then.

You make a good point because in the time it takes to see this all completed the OP can be making arrangements to re-take his test (although I know in some areas the waiting time for a test is significant).

Before he can even book his driving test, the OP will have to take and pass the theory test.

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Re: License Revocation Under New Drivers Act
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2024, 11:17:30 am »
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Before he can even book his driving test, the OP will have to take and pass the theory test.

Indeed. I was including that as part of the "arrangements to re-take his test."

I think it's a question of balancing the two options out. He could do nothing about the conviction, obtain a new provisional licence and then do what is necessary to take his test. Or he could wait to do his SD and rely on his representation to the court (to have fewer than six points imposed or see a short disqualification) being successful.

I think there is considerably less than a 50% chance of that success and for that reason I would make the assumption that the revocation is unlikely to be reversed. But I don't see why he shouldn't do both - apply for a new licence and make arrangements to take his test and also perform an SD and have his case re-heard.

Quite how the DVLA would cope if he did get a new provisional licence and then his revocation was cancelled is anybody's guess!   :)

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Re: License Revocation Under New Drivers Act
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2024, 11:48:39 am »
Any representation that fewer than six points should be given, or a ban imposed, to avoid revocation flies in the face of guidelines given to the court, so is unlikely to succeed.
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Re: License Revocation Under New Drivers Act
« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2024, 12:09:32 pm »
It certainly is, but the magistrates may not be aware of this, and the legal advisor not be on the ball. Traffic law is more complicated and detailed than generally appreciated, and mistakes are made, I once had a legal advisor tell me that it was not possible for the court to impose a totting ban of less than 6 months which I knew to be incorrect, I was so surprised that I contradicted her in open court, which was unforgiveable.