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Re: 9 Points + 2 incoming NIP's
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Picking up on NewJudge's and other comments, if your wife was probably involved in one of the speeding offences, then why can she not drive herself to MIL, and drive granddaughter to her competitions?

I wondered about that too

Re: 9 Points + 2 incoming NIP's
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I think the issue is this:

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Her job means so overnight travel, so where that does happen I provide that care and there is no other reliable alternative.

This will have to be explained in some detail.

Re: 9 Points + 2 incoming NIP's
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Surely the majority of people facing a totting ban are there because they risked their licence by continuing to accrue points when they were in danger of totting. I very much doubt such a question would be asked.

It may be rhetorical, mentioned after is his plea is rejected, but I doubt it being used otherwise.

However it does not deny the OPs ability to present an EH argue to avoid a ban and shouldn't influence under the circumstances. Considering the OP would not be able to make the same argument twice in quick succession, any avoidance of a ban may be academic anyway given their love of collecting points.

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I very much doubt such a question would be asked.

If the guidance is being followed, it should be, Bert.

The idea of the EH provision is for Magistrates to examine the hardship a driver or others might face. The circumstances behind the offences which led to him facing a totting ban should not be considered. But the guidance makes it clear that the court can consider the circumstances when a driver commits further offences in the knowledge that he would face a ban.

In my view it gives the court an additional angle which, if they were to examine only the hardship faced, they would not have. It helps them assess just how important it is for the defendant to be able to drive. I would suggest that drivers who really, really need their licences do not commit two further speeding offences when they are on nine points.

That said, early this year I helped a lady formulate a successful EH argument only to find last month that she had committed a further offence just two days before her “active” points total reduced to six. Fortunately, although she had earlier taken a course, it was just outside the three year period and she was offered another!

Seems you can’t help some folk!   :(
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Re: 9 Points + 2 incoming NIP's
« Reply #19 on: »
...do not commit two further speeding offences when they are on nine points.
Or possibly just one... (Either way not ideal)

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I think the issue is this:

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Her job means so overnight travel, so where that does happen I provide that care and there is no other reliable alternative.

This will have to be explained in some detail.

Hi,

Yes this is the issue.

Re: 9 Points + 2 incoming NIP's
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Surely the majority of people facing a totting ban are there because they risked their licence by continuing to accrue points when they were in danger of totting. I very much doubt such a question would be asked.

It may be rhetorical, mentioned after is his plea is rejected, but I doubt it being used otherwise.

However it does not deny the OPs ability to present an EH argue to avoid a ban and shouldn't influence under the circumstances. Considering the OP would not be able to make the same argument twice in quick succession, any avoidance of a ban may be academic anyway given their love of collecting points.

I don't love collecting points, all of these points coincide with getting electric cars and have been 'just' over the limit.  Before anyone else jumps in, I know this is not an excuse, but is there any need for such smug condescension? If you don't wish to help, then simply don't.

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What relevance does the cars being EVs have?

And 6 & 7 mph over a 30 limit is not "just over".

Nobody is being smug or condescending - just warning of a possible hurdle.

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What relevance does the cars being EVs have?

And 6 & 7 mph over a 30 limit is not "just over".

Nobody is being smug or condescending - just warning of a possible hurdle.

I qualified the statement by saying I know it is not an excuse.  I ahve personally found EV's to take some getting used to in terms of accelaration, but to be clear I appreciate this is down to me and not an excuse.

Just over referred to the 9 points already on my licence, apologies I did not make this clear.

As for nobody being smug or condescending, I suggest you read the last sentence of BertB again.

Re: 9 Points + 2 incoming NIP's
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It wasn't my intention to be smug and condescending and I apologise if I hurt your feelings however you need a reality check.

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9 Points + 2 incoming NIP's

You have had 3 convictions and another 2 instances of speeding in 16 months. Plus a speed awareness course somewhere in the last 3 years. At this rate, any special reasons argument you make seems academic as your ability to avoid these instances appear to be very difficult for you.

Or to use the scenario I was arguing against being likely, 'So Mr Bluejay, you have had 5 instances of speeding in the last 16 months yet here you are saying you need to keep your licence. Why should we let you when it just seems to be delaying the inevitable?'

So what are you going to say that you have done to modify your driving and avoid future points? And why didn't you do it before when you were on 9 points?

If you think I'm being condescending, you're going to hate the prosecution.
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