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Re: Yet another Airport CN NTK
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VCS is tenatious so you need to follow the process, including the irrelevant appeal to the IAS. You need to be seen to do the right thing by the courts, should it come to that. You have no obligation to identify the driver.



Received thanks.
I shall appeal on the basis of the relevant land and by laws, where I was not the driver and I am under no obligation to provide such details.

Re: Yet another Airport CN NTK
« Reply #16 on: »
Email sent via the IAS email system as the IAS website was glitching and kept me in a draft setting, not allowing me to send a final submission.
Email was as follows;
Appeal Capacity: Registered Keeper Grounds of Appeal:
I am the Registered Keeper of the vehicle in question. I was not the driver at the time of the alleged contravention, and I decline the invitation to name the driver.
Vehicle Control Services Ltd (VCS) has failed to invoke, and cannot invoke keeper liability under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (POFA). The notice to keeper completely omits the mandatory POFA statutory wording required to transfer liability to the keeper. The alleged incident took place at Delft Way, Norwich Airport. Airport land is subject to statutory control and airport bylaws. Therefore, it does not meet the definition of "relevant land" under Section 3(1)(c) of POFA 2012.
Because the land is not "relevant land," the operator has no legal mechanism to transfer liability from the driver to the registered keeper. As I was not the driver, and POFA does not apply, I am not liable for this charge.
Furthermore, I draw the assessor's attention to the High Court authority of VCS v Operations Manager (Milton Keynes), which confirmed that where bylaws apply, POFA keeper liability cannot be used.
As VCS has no legal right to pursue me, the registered keeper, I request that this parking charge notice be cancelled immediately.

Re: Yet another Airport CN NTK
« Reply #17 on: »
I don't follow your email.

VCS are not stating that they have a legal right under PoFA to enforce against you as the Keeper in lieu of their claim against the driver, they are threatening to pursue you because in their minds they may assume that the keeper was the driver and therefore in their model they are pursuing the liable person.

They're not claiming this has anything to do with PoFA, so I don't understand you referring to what is not at issue at such length.

I would have focused on this:

'..we may pursue you on the assumption that you (the keeper) were the driver.'

What VCS choose to assume is a matter for them. What counts is whether there is a legal presumption upon which they may rely. You assume that the Assessor is well versed in English law to know that no such presumption applies. If they are in doubt, then apparently there is a High Court case (referenced in an earlier post) to which they could be referred.

 

Re: Yet another Airport CN NTK
« Reply #18 on: »
Agreed.
VCS have history for this “assumption that you were the driver” rubbish.
They can assume anything they like, it’s just that there’s no foundation in law for the assumption, and they dress it up as such in the hope that you give in and pay up.
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Re: Yet another Airport CN NTK
« Reply #19 on: »
I don't follow your email.

VCS are not stating that they have a legal right under PoFA to enforce against you as the Keeper in lieu of their claim against the driver, they are threatening to pursue you because in their minds they may assume that the keeper was the driver and therefore in their model they are pursuing the liable person.

They're not claiming this has anything to do with PoFA, so I don't understand you referring to what is not at issue at such length.

I would have focused on this:

'..we may pursue you on the assumption that you (the keeper) were the driver.'

What VCS choose to assume is a matter for them. What counts is whether there is a legal presumption upon which they may rely. You assume that the Assessor is well versed in English law to know that no such presumption applies. If they are in doubt, then apparently there is a High Court case (referenced in an earlier post) to which they could be referred.

 

I posted what i found as templates to use in the ias appeals.
Based on my not being the driver and the initial appeal being turned down.
Vcs stated they are assuming I am the driver and they are continuing to process unless I prove otherwise.
My response was Based on numerous templates/advice found, to counter their alleged claim. Does that make sense?

Re: Yet another Airport CN NTK
« Reply #20 on: »
Agreed.
VCS have history for this “assumption that you were the driver” rubbish.
They can assume anything they like, it’s just that there’s no foundation in law for the assumption, and they dress it up as such in the hope that you give in and pay up.

That seems to be what I have been finding.
Politely force you into paying through fear of not...so far

Re: Yet another Airport CN NTK
« Reply #21 on: »
Had a reply from vcs through the ias process.
Is it ok to post the reply on here?
Looking for advice going forward.
In a nutshell, they claim i have not disputed i am the driver (despite both appeals stipulating) and that until such evidence appears, I am legally the person they are going after.
Is this standard??
Happy to post their full response if appropriate.

Re: Yet another Airport CN NTK
« Reply #22 on: »
You need to post what you’ve received with only personal details redacted.

Your summary isn’t something we can use to help you, it’s too vague.

https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/

The IAS usually sides with the operator, for what it’s worth. They will next start a county court claim. You should search the forum for VCS and so on to see what normally happens. They are trying to frighten you into paying them.
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Re: Yet another Airport CN NTK
« Reply #23 on: »
This is the email response by vcs through ias appeals.

The operator made their Prima Facie Case on 03/07/2026 10:19:14.

The operator reported that...
The appellant was the driver.
The appellant was the keeper.
ANPR/CCTV was used.
The Notice to Keeper was sent on 19/05/2026.
A response was received from the Notice to Keeper.
The ticket was issued on 19/05/2026.
The charge is based in Contract.

The operator made the following comments...
1. Norwich Airport and all its approach roads are private land which motorists are allowed to enter provided that they agree to the Terms and Conditions of use. The VCS signage onsite, at the entrance and throughout the roadways, which state ‘No Stopping, Picking Up or Dropping Off'. The signage clearly states motorists will become liable for a charge of £100 if they contravene these Terms and Conditions.

2. Site photographs supplied confirm the signs can clearly be observed and the entrances and throughout the site. The adjudicator will note that the VCS signage onsite, including its wording and positioning has been audited by the IPC, has passed audit, complies with the Code of Practice and is deemed fit for purpose.

3. Airports are by their very nature, sensitive, high risk security areas, which are always on a high level security alert status. Given the sensitive security issues at airport sites it is not unusual to prohibit stopping of any kind on all the approach roads.

4. A no stopping zone has been introduced on the airport approach roads and, due to growing congestion caused by vehicles stopping and blocking lanes. The subsequent congestion has created safety risks for other motorists and potential costly delays for emergency vehicles responding to incidents at the Airport. This CN was issued in respect of a vehicle stopping on a private road running alongside a busy international airport. Any vehicles obstructing the roads, no matter for how long can cause serious problems for airport traffic, including cargo and emergency vehicles. Vehicle Control Services (VCS) Ltd patrol, manage and enforce on the access roads where stopping is not permitted and seek to do so by making motorists aware of the requirements with signs.

5. In this case, citing the case of Elliott v Loake 1982, we are relying on the presumption, on the balance of probability, that the appellant, as registered keeper of the vehicle in question, was the driver of the vehicle on the date in question and we support this by the knowledge the appellant has in relation to the circumstances ("events of the day") in relation to this Charge Notice. Furthermore, the appellant does not deny know who the driver is. Until and unless evidence to the contrary is presented, we will continue to hold the appellant liable for the charge as the driver at the time.

6. In the case of ELLIOTT v LOAKE in 1982 the principle was established that in the absence of sufficient evidence to the contrary the keeper of a vehicle is assumed to be the driver of that vehicle at the time of an incident such as arises in this Appeal. The burden of proof is then on the keeper of the vehicle to prove on the balance of probabilities that they were not the driver at the time of the incident. In this case such evidence has not been provided by the Appellant to establish that they were not the driver.

7. The CCTV footage we possess shows that the vehicle stopped on an access road which is designated by the landowner as a restricted area, where stopping is prohibited at all times.

8. A review of the footage shows the appellant's vehicle stopping to drop off a passenger.

9. This was not a suitable place to stop their vehicle to drop of a passenger and the motorist had no cause to believe they were authorised to do so without accepting liability for the charge. The airport has clearly signposted pick up and drop off facilities.

10. The appellant's position within the site can be observed in the supplied annotated overhead, which highlights the close proximity of the appellant's vehicle to VCS signage. Furthermore, to reach their stationary position the appellant would have driven past signs clearly advertising the No Stopping terms and conditions.

11. The contract between the motorist and VCS was formed upon entry to the site itself by the appellant. A person can enter into a contract either by expressly agreeing to do so or by acting in such a way that they can be said to have implied agreement to enter into a contract. Where notice is given to a motorist of the consequences of stopping a vehicle in a particular area, by implication a motorist enters into a contract with VCS and accepts the terms set out in the Notice by proceeding to stop.

12. A person can enter into a contract either by expressly agreeing to do so or by acting in such a way that they can be said to have implied agreement to enter into a contract. Where notice is given to a motorist of the consequences of stopping a vehicle in a particular area, by implication a motorist enters into a contract with VCS and accepts the terms set out in the Notice by proceeding to stop.

13. It is the motorist's responsibility to ensure that they are familiar with the Terms and Conditions displayed on the signage in private land which they enter. We maintain that our signs are clearly visible and meet the requirements set by the International Parking Community guidelines. As established members of the International Parking Community, we adhere to their Code of Practice. This Code of Practice gives recommendations in regards to the signage within the car park. The signs within the car park fully comply with the recommendations outlined in the Code of Practice and are therefore deemed reasonable. Once the presence of the signs is revealed, it is the motorist's responsibility to ensure that they have read the signs and are familiar with the Terms and Conditions.

14. A copy of our authority to enforce the no stopping terms and conditions on this site was supplied as part of the IPC audit process and is available solely to the Adjudicator for their perusal.

15. The pertinent point in this case is that, having been given sufficient notice of the terms and conditions in place, the driver freely chose to stop their vehicle on a roadway where stopping is prohibited at all times, by doing so the appellant became liable for the charge which was lawfully issued.

16. By stopping in a zone where stopping was prohibited the appellant became liable for the Parking Charge Notice issued as per the Terms and Conditions displayed.

Re: Yet another Airport CN NTK
« Reply #24 on: »
In relation to their claims, I believe that, Elliot vs Loake is wholly inappropriate in this instance, criminal law case with undeniable evidence, not civil law, its vcs scaremongering.
I have claimed through both appeals I was not the driver, but I believe I do not need to disclose who was, I believe they need to prove who the driver is.
Its airport land, therefore relevant land, bylaws etc.
They did not quote in any way Pofa 2012 in the initial letter to Keeper, it also arrived 15 days after the alleged incident, I do not believe they have any slide on that timescale, although I could be wrong.
I was informed that the driver was new to that area and road system and totally missed the signage and initial red lines, Its possible that, if a driver is unfamiliar and is paying attention to the road and vehicles, that it is wholly acceptable that signage is missed, and therefore an assumption on the contract can become irrelevant...
Would these be grounds to appeal?