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UKPS PCN – Unauthorised parking – Wing Yip, Purley
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Hi all, I’m looking for some advice on how to deal with this PCN.

I as the registered keeper received a PCN through the post today on 21 January for “unauthorised parking”.

The letter doesn’t explain why it was unauthorised, but I am guessing they thought the driver had left the premises. There are bank statements proving that purchases were made.

Another victim posted that they received a very similar letter and managed to get it cancelled by UKPS https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/pcn-unauthorised-parking/, would you recommend appealing as they did? I have tried contacting Wing Yip to get them to intervene but they did not care.

Many thanks

PCN here:
https://ibb.co/MxyrD7Gj
https://ibb.co/7xMFPvj6

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Re: UKPS PCN – Unauthorised parking – Wing Yip, Purley
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The OP in the linked case didn't disclose what they put in the appeal, but appeared to be along the lines of genuine user.

So you could try a 2 pronged appeal, 1 that you were a customer and 2 their notice is not POFA compliant to transfer liability to keeper.  It might work; or it might not!  What ever you do, don't disclose the driver's identity - even by accident, e.g. selecting a drop down box on their web form, or saying I did such and such - refer to drive in 3rd person.

Re: UKPS PCN – Unauthorised parking – Wing Yip, Purley
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Thanks Richard, I intend to appeal with the below.

I also went on the payment page (not that I intend to pay them) and to my surprise, there were a couple more photographs such as this: https://postimg.cc/wRRTFMBw Is their use of camera and tracking of individuals legal? It is rather worrying…

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Dear UKPS Limited,

Re: Parking Charge Notice X – Vehicle Registration X

I am the registered keeper of the above vehicle and I am writing to appeal this Parking Charge Notice. There will be no admissions as to who was driving and no assumptions can be drawn.

On X 2026, the driver and occupants were genuine customers of Wing Yip, spent £XX in-store at Wing Yip (bank statement and copy of receipt attached), and the vehicle remained in the car park for less than one hour (well within the stated two-hour maximum stay). The vehicle was therefore parked in accordance with the intended use of the car park and no contractual breach occurred.

The driver and occupants are regular customers of Wing Yip and Tai Tung Restaurant and have visited the site frequently. Purchase records attached show spending in excess of £800 over the past seven months alone, and the driver has always complied with the car park’s terms.

The Parking Charge Notice describes the contravention as “Unauthorised Parking” but does not explain the basis for this allegation. Please clarify the specific breach you contend occurred. Please also provide the evidence relied upon, including copies of the signage in place at the material time and your photographs/ footage which I am requesting under a subject access request.

As the driver was a legitimate customer on the date in question and complied with the car park’s terms, this charge is unjustified and should be cancelled. In addition, I would also like to point out that the Parking Charge Notice does not comply with the requirements of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, therefore liability cannot be transferred to the keeper. Should you decide not to cancel the charge, please provide a detailed explanation and the relevant appeals information so that I may escalate the matter. Should this charge not be cancelled, I fully intend to contest this in court and will make a complaint to your client landowner, MP and local newspaper.

I enclose copies of the relevant bank statement records to demonstrate that the driver was a genuine customer on the date in question.

I look forward to your confirmation that this Parking Charge Notice has been cancelled.

Yours faithfully,
X
Registered Keeper of Vehicle X

Re: UKPS PCN – Unauthorised parking – Wing Yip, Purley
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Just an update UKPS has rejected the appeal. Under the current advice is an appeal to the IAS recommended? I am aware it will likely be rejected as well.

Adding pictures of signage:

https://ibb.co/3mMsqWz0
https://ibb.co/JRfbjbmh
https://ibb.co/hT1RvJT

“Thank you for your appeal.

Having noted your comments, and checking the evidence gathered when issuing the Parking Charge, we are satisfied that the Parking Charge has been issued correctly and your appeal is rejected.

There are clear signs informing all drivers they must remain onsite for the entire duration of the stay. It is the drivers sole responsibility to ensure they are familiarising themselves with the signs and adhering to the terms and conditions stated within them. As you can see from the photographic evidence, the vehicle parked up, the driver exited and walked offsite. As the driver did not remain onsite for the entire duration of the stay, this parking charge has been issued correctly.

All of our signage is fully compliant with the guidelines set out within The Single Code of Practice and we reject the notion that it is in any way unclear or ambiguous. The signage is printed on reflective material and is clearly illuminated in vehicle headlights within hours of darkness.

Please be advised that all photographic evidence can be viewed by typing: pay.theukps.com in to your top address browser.

Payment is now due to be made.

Current balance owed: £60

* This outstanding balance will increase to £100 in 14 days from the date of this letter.

If you believe this decision is incorrect, you are entitled to appeal to the Independent Appeals Service (IAS). In order to appeal, you will need your Parking Charge number and your vehicle registration. Appeals must be submitted to the IAS within 28 days of the date of this letter/email. Please visit www.theias.org for full details. Please be advised, should your appeal be dismissed by the IAS, you will no longer have the ability to pay the reduced amount of £60.

For free advice regarding your parking charge, including advice on appealing, please visit: www.247advice.co.uk

If you choose to do nothing, after 56 days from the incident date, the parking charge will be passed to our debt recovery agent, at which point you will be liable to pay additional charges in accordance with our terms and conditions of parking and further charges will be claimed if Court action is taken against you.

Please do not ignore this communication.

Payment Methods:
1) Bank Transfer
Account UKPS LTD
Account No: 25006760
Sort Code: 30-99-15

2) Cheque / Postal Order
UKPS Ltd
PO BOX 6974
Leamington Spa
CV31 9QU

3) PayPal/Stripe (Please see the Parking Charge Notice to keeper for details)

Kind Regards
UKPS Limited Appeals Team”


Re: UKPS PCN – Unauthorised parking – Wing Yip, Purley
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No harm in appealing to IAS - it's not binding, and it costs them time and money!

Re: UKPS PCN – Unauthorised parking – Wing Yip, Purley
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Thanks Richard, draft appeal to IAS below, based on the generic IAS template. Please let me know any suggestions, or if it would help to see the photographs (appear to be CCTV stills) they provided on the payment page.

Many thanks.

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I am the registered keeper of the vehicle. I deny any liability for this parking charge and appeal in full.

1.      Insufficient evidence of the alleged contravention

As the registered keeper, I am not obliged to identify the driver. UKPS bears the burden of proof. The photographs provided by UKPS purport to prove that “the driver exited and walked offsite”, but they do not support this allegation. The images provided are of multiple individuals - UKPS has not identified who they allege was the driver, nor provided any evidence that any person shown in the photographs was the driver of the vehicle.

On the contrary, the photographs UKPS provided show the individual(s) walking out of Wing Yip store into the car park, and none of the photographs show the same individual(s) leaving the site. If anything, these images demonstrate that the individuals depicted in the photographs were customers of Wing Yip and remained on site.

Mere speculation that a person in an image is the driver is insufficient. I put UKPS to strict proof of their allegation. Such evidence should include photographs of the contravention and a site map and a picture of the signage that would have communicated to the driver the defined boundary of the site they are alleged to have left.

2.    No site boundary defined

The only signs evidenced say variations of “Parking is for customers only” and “Drivers must remain on the premises at all times”. No plan, map, line, boundary, or marker is identified anywhere. Motorists are not told or show any map of where “premises” begin or end, nor warned when crossing an undefined point becomes a £100 event. An uncertain, unmarked boundary cannot form part of a fair or enforceable contract. Any alleged breach dependent on undefined geography fails for uncertainty.

No explanation has been provided as to what constitutes “leaving the site” and it has not been established whether the driver was on site all along.

If no such sign or evidence exist, then I contend that the driver could not have known where the car park site boundary began and ended and in the absence of proof, I deny that there was any contravention. As a result, there was no contract formed with the driver to pay a charge in exchange for going off site; there was no consideration, offer or acceptance and no site boundary defined.

Even if a sign says a charge can be issued for 'leaving the premises', this means nothing if 'the premises' is not defined. This could include any number of shops, a cash point, toilets, cafe, drop-off areas, delivery area, the car park itself, rest area/benches and any other section of a retail park.

3. Genuine customer

As already noted in the appeal to UKPS, the driver/ occupants were genuine customers of Wing Yip, spent £X in-store at Wing Yip, and remained on-site for less than one hour (well within the stated two-hour maximum stay). I enclose a copy of the purchase receipt. The vehicle was therefore parked in accordance with the intended use of the car park and no contractual breach occurred.

Evidence

The parking operator bears the burden of proof. It must establish that a contravention occurred, that a valid contract was formed between the operator and the driver, and that it has lawful authority to operate and issue Parking Charge Notices (PCNs) in its own name. I therefore require the operator to provide the following:

1. Strict proof of clear, prominent, and adequate signage that was in place on the date in question, at the exact location of the alleged contravention. This must include a detailed site plan showing the placement of each sign and legible images of the signs in situ. The operator must demonstrate that signage was visible, legible, and compliant with the IPC Code of Practice that was valid at the time of the alleged contravention, including requirements relating to font size, positioning, and the communication of key terms.

2. Strict proof of a valid, contemporaneous contract or lease flowing from the landowner that authorises the operator to manage parking, issue PCNs, and pursue legal action in its own name. I refer the operator and the IAS assessor to Section 14 of the PPSCoP (Relationship with Landowner), which clearly sets out mandatory minimum requirements that must be evidenced before any parking charge may be issued on controlled land.

In particular, Section 14.1(a)–(j) requires the operator to have in place written confirmation from the landowner which includes:

• the identity of the landowner,
• a boundary map of the land to be managed,
• applicable byelaws,
• the duration and scope of authority granted,
• detailed parking terms and conditions including any specific permissions or exemptions,
• the means of issuing PCNs,
• responsibility for obtaining planning and advertising consents,
• and the operator’s obligations and appeal procedure under the Code.

These requirements are not optional. They are a condition precedent to issuing a PCN and bringing any associated action. Accordingly, I put the operator to strict proof of compliance with the entirety of Section 14 of the PPSCoP. Any document that contains redactions must not obscure the above conditions. The document must also be dated and signed by identifiable persons, with evidence of their authority to act on behalf of the parties to the agreement. The operator must provide an agreement showing clear authorisation from the landowner for this specific site.

3. Strict proof that the enforcement mechanism (e.g. ANPR, CCTV or manual patrol) is reliable, synchronised, maintained, and calibrated regularly. The operator must prove the vehicle was present for the full duration alleged and not simply momentarily on site, potentially within a permitted consideration or grace period as defined by the PPSCoP.

4. Strict proof that the Notice to Keeper complies with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA), if the operator is attempting to rely on keeper liability. Any failure to comply with the mandatory wording or timelines in Schedule 4 of PoFA renders keeper liability unenforceable.

5. Strict proof that the NtK was posted in time for it to have been given within the relevant period. The PPSCoP section 8.1.2(d) Note 2 requires that the operator must retain a record of the date of posting of a notice, not simply of that notice having been generated (e.g. the date that any third-party Mail Consolidator actually put it in the postal system.)

6. The IAS claims that its assessors are “qualified solicitors or barristers.” Yet there is no way to verify this. Decisions are unsigned, anonymised, and unpublished. There is no transparency, no register of assessors, and no way for a motorist to assess the legal credibility of the individual supposedly adjudicating their appeal. If the person reading this really is legally qualified, they will know that without strict proof of landowner authority (VCS v HMRC [2013] EWCA Civ 186), no claim can succeed. They will also know that clear and prominent signage is a prerequisite for contract formation (ParkingEye v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67), and that keeper liability under PoFA is only available where strict statutory conditions are met.

If the assessor chooses to overlook these legal requirements and accept vague assertions or redacted documents from the operator, that will speak for itself—and lend further weight to the growing concern that this appeals service is neither independent nor genuinely legally qualified.

In short, I dispute this charge in its entirety as the keeper and require full evidence of compliance with the law, industry codes of practice, and basic contractual principles.

Re: UKPS PCN – Unauthorised parking – Wing Yip, Purley
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Hi all, I submitted an appeal to the IAS and received the following response from UKPS:

“The Operator Made The Following Comments...

There are clear signs informing all drivers they must remain onsite for the entire duration of the stay.

As you can see from the photographic evidence, the vehicle parked up, the driver exited and walked offsite. The driver returns some time later from the direction of Wing Yip with passengers.

As the driver did not remain onsite for the entire duration of the stay, this parking charge has been issued in line with the sites terms and conditions.

Please see the attached PCN export.”

They uploaded some CCTV stills showing a person (who they claim was the driver) walking towards the entrance and people walking from the shop towards the car park (claiming one was the driver the other was the passenger). No evidence has been provided showing the person who they claim was the passenger leaving the site. Surely they can’t just make baseless assumptions who they think the driver/ passenger was? How should I respond please and is it worth responding?

Re: UKPS PCN – Unauthorised parking – Wing Yip, Purley
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I'd suggest they contact the driver. They can't hold the RK liable. End of matter.
Bus driving since 1973. My advice, if you have a PSV licence, destroy it when you get to 65 or you'll be forever in demand.