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Re: UKPC - Notice to Keeper final reminder + dcbl notice of debt recovery
« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2024, 03:41:33 pm »
My fault. I thought that this is the LoC as it looks different than the rest of letters. I'll pay more attention in the future.

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Re: UKPC - Notice to Keeper final reminder + dcbl notice of debt recovery
« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2024, 03:44:57 pm »
An LoC or Letter Before Claim will state that it is such and will give you 30 days to pay. Anything that does not give you 30 days to pay cannot be an LoC.

Here are the Pre Action Protocols that state what has to be in an LoC (Para 3 applies):

https://www.justice.gov.uk/documents/debt-pap.pdf

But you don't use any of the forms that they are supposed to enclose.
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Re: UKPC - Notice to Keeper final reminder + dcbl notice of debt recovery
« Reply #17 on: October 14, 2024, 03:21:42 pm »
Hello. An update: Have not recevied LoC but received the N1SDT. See attached https://imgur.com/a/8QQS6nY.

What would be the next steps now? Thank you.
 

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Re: UKPC - Notice to Keeper final reminder + dcbl notice of debt recovery
« Reply #18 on: October 14, 2024, 03:50:17 pm »
Non receipt of the LoC will be added to the defence. With an issue date of 8th October, you have until 27th October to file your Acknowledgement of Service (AoS). There is no advantage to delaying the AoS. To do that, follow the instructions in this PDF guide:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xvqu3bask5m0zir/money-claim-online-How-to-Acknowledge.pdf?dl=0

Once your AoS has been done, you then have until 4pm on Monday 11th November to submit your defence. Let us know when you have done the AoS and we will prepare a defence for you.
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Re: UKPC - Notice to Keeper final reminder + dcbl notice of debt recovery
« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2024, 06:05:24 pm »
Hello. AoS done.

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Re: UKPC - Notice to Keeper final reminder + dcbl notice of debt recovery
« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2024, 10:30:14 am »
Here is your defence and draft order. You only need to edit the defence by inserting your name, the claim number and then signing it by typing your full name for the signature and dating it. When completed, both PDF documents are attached to an email addressed to claimresponses.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and CC in yourself. The email subject but contain the claim number and in the body of the email just state that attached are the defence and draft order in the matter of [claimnt] v [you] Claim no.: [claim number].

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IN THE COUNTY COURT
Claim No: [Claim Number]

BETWEEN:

[UK Parking Control Ltd]


Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



DEFENCE


1. The Defendant denies any liability for this claim.

2. There is a lack of precise detail in the Particulars of Claim (PoC) in respect of the factual and legal allegations made against the Defendant such that the PoC do not comply with CPR 16.4.

3. Further, the Claimant has breached the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims by failing to send a Letter of Claim (LoC) before commencing proceedings. This failure only exacerbates the already woefully inadequate Particulars of Claim (PoC), as outlined in the rest of this defence. The court is invited to strike out the claim due to the Claimant's unreasonable conduct and non-compliance with the PAP.

4. The Defendant is unable to plead properly to the PoC because:

(a) The contract referred to is not detailed or attached to the PoC in accordance with CPR PD 16(7.5);

(b) The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is/are relied on;

(c) The PoC do not set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts the defendant has
breached the contract (or contracts);

(d) The PoC do not state with sufficient particularity exactly where the breach occurred, the exact time when the breach occurred and how long it is alleged that the vehicle was parked before the parking charge was allegedly incurred;

(e) The PoC do not state exactly how the claim for statutory interest is calculated;

(f) The PoC do not state what proportion of the claim is the parking charge and what proportion is damages;

(g) The PoC states that the Claimant is suing the defendant as the driver or the keeper. The claimant obviously knows whether the defendant is being sued as the driver or the keeper and should not be permitted to plead alternative causes of action.

4. The Defendant has attached to this defence a copy of an order made at another court which the allocating judge ought to make at this stage so that the Defendant can then know and understand the case which he/she/it faces and can then respond properly to the claim.

Statement of truth

I believe that the facts stated in this Defence are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

Signed:


Date:

Draft Order for the defence
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Re: UKPC - Notice to Keeper final reminder + dcbl notice of debt recovery
« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2024, 03:00:19 pm »
Update.

After sending the defence, this has been received yesterday: https://imgur.com/a/SVcqgQN.
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Re: UKPC - Notice to Keeper final reminder + dcbl notice of debt recovery
« Reply #22 on: November 30, 2024, 04:28:31 pm »
All normal and as expected. I can assure you no human has "reviewed the content of your defence". It is a template response.

Have a look at other threads to see what the process involves. You are now waiting for your N180 Directions Questionnaire (DQ). Just do a search on the forum home page for "N180".
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Re: UKPC - Notice to Keeper final reminder + dcbl notice of debt recovery
« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2024, 05:45:43 pm »
First of all thank you for your help so far.

I have now received the N180 Directions Questionnaire. How should one proceed further?

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« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2024, 05:58:06 pm »
You need to fill in the N180.

Most of it is your own personal details, which should be straightforward enough. Some of the ones people often query:

  • C1 - Do you agree that the small claims track is the appropriate track for this case? - Yes
  • D1 - Do you consider that this claim is suitable for determination without a hearing? - No - see quote box below for some blurb from b789 you can include in the reasons box
  • F1 - At which County Court hearing centre would you prefer the small claims hearing to take place and why? - You can pick whichever court you wish with reasons; for obvious reasons most people choose the one closest to their home address

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"I wish to question the Claimant about their evidence at a hearing in person and to expose omissions and any misleading or incorrect evidence or assertions.
Given the Claimant is a firm who complete cut & paste parking case paperwork for a living, having this case heard solely on papers would appear to put the Claimant at an unfair advantage, especially as they would no doubt prefer the Defendant not to have the opportunity to expose the issues in the Claimants template submissions or speak as the only true witness to events in question."

If there are any other questions on the form about which you are unclear then let us know.

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Re: UKPC - Notice to Keeper final reminder + dcbl notice of debt recovery
« Reply #25 on: December 04, 2024, 06:32:35 pm »
Don't use the paper one they sent you. Download one from here and complete it online:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/form-n180-directions-questionnaire-small-claims-track

When done, you simply sign it by typing your name for the signature. Send it as a PDF attachment in a single email addressed to both dq.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and info@dcblegal.co.uk and CC in yourself. Make sure that the claim number is in the email subject field.
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