Author Topic: UKCPS Parking NTK ( Postal -PoFA) issued on private land Mak Court WF13 4AF  (Read 7334 times)

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So, consider a few things... The Notice to Keeper (NtK) is simply an invoice for a breach of terms and conditions of a "contract" between the driver and UKCPS. The "contract" is the terms and condition signs at the location. The driver doesn't have to actually read the signs but as long as there enough signs and they adequately bring to the attention of the driver the charge for breaching those terms, the "contract" is entered into by 'conduct'. The 'conduct' being the action of actually parking there.

Now, here is the problem... If the driver is not a resident of a property at the location, the capability of the sign to form a contractual relationship depends on whether the sign makes a clear and specific offer to non-residents or prohibits their parking.

In the image you provided, the sign specifically states:

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"Parking is only permitted for residents of Mak Court. No parking is permitted for any other vehicles for any length of time."

This wording is important because it suggests the following:

1. Nature of the Offer

The sign does not extend an offer to non-residents. Instead, it expressly prohibits parking by non-residents. This means that a non-resident would not be able to accept the offer because no offer is made to them in the first place.

In contract law, if there is no offer, there can be no acceptance, and therefore no contract.

2. Prohibitive Notice

The sign is a prohibitive notice, rather than an invitation to enter into a contract. Prohibitive notices are used to indicate that no permission is granted for certain actions (in this case, parking by non-residents).

In general, courts have found that prohibitive notices are not capable of forming a contract. For a contract to be formed, there must be an offer for the individual to accept. If parking is explicitly prohibited for certain individuals, they cannot be deemed to have accepted an offer that doesn't exist.

If non-residents park in violation of the prohibition, this should be a trespass issue, not a contractual issue, which would require a separate legal basis for claiming damages (typically limited to actual losses).

3. Case Law Support

In ParkingEye Ltd v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67, the Supreme Court made it clear that a sign offering parking on certain terms could form a contract. However, that was in the context of a sign offering parking on specific conditions (e.g., time limits). In contrast, a prohibitive notice does not offer parking to non-residents; therefore, there can be no contractual relationship formed with a non-resident.

Conclusion:

• For a resident: The sign could form a contractual relationship because it offers parking to residents under certain conditions (e.g., they must park in accordance with the rules).

• For a non-resident: The sign cannot form a contract because it explicitly prohibits parking by non-residents. Since no offer is made to non-residents, there can be no acceptance, and thus no contract.

In this scenario, as a non-resident parked and then received a Parking Charge Notice (PCN), the argument is that the sign does not offer parking to them at all, and thus no contract could have been formed. Any charge would need to be pursued under trespass law rather than as a breach of contract.
Thanks b789 for raising a valid argument.
My reply would be no contravention occurred for which a PCN is issued. The driver did not form any contract to be issued a PCN for parking.
It's a matter of trespassing rather than a breach of contract.


Is there any old draft similar to this situation which I can use to reply.

Thanks for your help.


You could use the very detailed reply from b789 to help you draft something.


I have replied via appeal portal online as per b789 estlier post.

Thanks

Hi b789,
Further to my reply as advised by you on their online portal.
I have received a letter dated 31.12.24 from Trace Debt Recovery UK Limited
" Your case has been to TRACE Debt Recovery UK Limited because you have an outstanding matter with our client; UKCPS Limited. Our client has previously written to you requesting payment for parking charges relating to the above vehicle, however, to date the charges have not been settled.

We believe this could just be an oversight on your behalf, but our client now requires full payment of the balance due within 14 days from the date of this letter. The above balance relates to the original parking charge and subsequent Debt Recovery costs which will have been detailed in the car park and/or on the previous letters our client has sent to you."

Total payment due 170.00

Options
1 pay now
2let us help you
3 Ignore this reminder- result = face the risk of escalation through our client solicitor, further solicitor charges being added to your balance and face the risk of escalation through the courts.

I haven't received any reply from the appeal which I did submit in time on the appeals online portal.

Can someone please help me to sort this out.

Thanks


Debt recovery company = ignore and file or use as cat litter.
They are simply on commission for any money they can extract from you. They use scary words to intimidate you into paying.
Don’t fall for it.
Only reply to a formal letter from UKCPS themselves, such as a Letter before Claim. UKCPS probably know you’re a lost cause, so they have sent the bully boys in to hope that you’ll pay up. If they pay TRACE 10% they still get £90 or more from you.
« Last Edit: January 14, 2025, 08:36:46 pm by jfollows »
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I’m not sure if I already stayed earlier on, you can safely ignore all debt collector letters. We really don’t need to know about them and you should not be concerned.

The debt collector is not a party to the contract allegedly breached by the driver. They are powerless to do anything except to try and scare the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree into paying out of ignorance and fear.

Coke back if you receive a Letter of Claim or an actual N1SDT Claim Form from the CNBC.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Thanks for your reply.
Will ignore such letters from debt recovery as advised.

Thanks once again

Debt recovery company = ignore and file or use as cat litter.
They are simply on commission for any money they can extract from you. They use scary words to intimidate you into paying.
Don’t fall for it.
Only reply to a formal letter from UKCPS themselves, such as a Letter before Claim. UKCPS probably know you’re a lost cause, so they have sent the bully boys in to hope that you’ll pay up. If they pay TRACE 10% they still get £90 or more from you.
I’m not sure if I already stayed earlier on, you can safely ignore all debt collector letters. We really don’t need to know about them and you should not be concerned.

The debt collector is not a party to the contract allegedly breached by the driver. They are powerless to do anything except to try and scare the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree into paying out of ignorance and fear.

Coke back if you receive a Letter of Claim or an actual N1SDT Claim Form from the CNBC.
Hello,
Today in post I have receive claim form N1SDT dated 17 July 2025 from Civil National Business Centre to pay
amount claimed = 170
court fee      = 35
legal rep fee  =50
Total amount   = 255

you have a limited time in which to reply to this claim form.

you can respond to this claim online log on to www.moneyclaim.gov.uk     you will need the claim number M1MP6F3K  and the following password xxxxxxx

There is also a STATEMENT OF TRUTH , RESPONSE PACK ADMISSION ( specified amount)..

Can some one please recommend to me what is the next step which your expert can advice..

Thanks for your support.

Post the front page of the N1SDT you received here, we need to see the words used. Obscure the password, of course, but not dates.
Did you not get a Letter of Claim prior to this?

I dont remember to have received a letter or claim.

posting first page of N1SDT

« Last Edit: July 20, 2025, 09:43:29 pm by boxer29 »

From your first post:

Received a letter addressed to me in post dated 03.10.2024, which I opened today,[23 Oct].

I asked why the delay but you didn't respond.

You've also posted that on or around 14 Jan. you have 'received' a letter from TRACE dated 31 Dec.

Now we have that on 19th July you have received a claim form dated 17 July.

But mysteriously you did not previously receive a Letter of Claim.

OP, so that I can sleep well tonight pl confirm:
Are you the registered keeper of the vehicle;
Are your DVLA details the same now as on the day of the alleged breach;
Do you actually reside at the registered RK address?
Are the addresses on the Notice to Keeper, TRACE letter and claim form the same and those registered with DVLA on the relevant date?




From your first post:

Received a letter addressed to me in post dated 03.10.2024, which I opened today,[23 Oct].

I asked why the delay but you didn't respond.

You've also posted that on or around 14 Jan. you have 'received' a letter from TRACE dated 31 Dec.

Now we have that on 19th July you have received a claim form dated 17 July.

But mysteriously you did not previously receive a Letter of Claim.

OP, so that I can sleep well tonight pl confirm:
Are you the registered keeper of the vehicle;
Are your DVLA details the same now as on the day of the alleged breach;
Do you actually reside at the registered RK address?
Are the addresses on the Notice to Keeper, TRACE letter and claim form the same and those registered with DVLA on the relevant date?
yes these all are correct

With an issue date of 17th July, you have until 4pm on Tuesday 5th August to submit your defence. If you submit an Acknowledgement of Service (AoS) before then, you would then have until 4pm on Tuesday 19th August to submit your defence.

If you want to submit an AoS then follow the instructions in this linked PDF:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xvqu3bask5m0zir/money-claim-online-How-to-Acknowledge.pdf?dl=0

Normally, we would advise not to use the MCOL to submit a defence due to some limitations with character count and formatting. However, due to recent systemic failures within the CNBC with defences submitted by email, we are changing tactics. I will know later tomorrow and certainly by Wednesday on the format and wording to use to submit your defence using the MCOL.

Please do not put anything in the defence box until I get back to you by Wednesday. Please remind me if I haven't responded with the defence which will need to be copied and pasted into the MCOL defence text box.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

With an issue date of 17th July, you have until 4pm on Tuesday 5th August to submit your defence. If you submit an Acknowledgement of Service (AoS) before then, you would then have until 4pm on Tuesday 19th August to submit your defence.

If you want to submit an AoS then follow the instructions in this linked PDF:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xvqu3bask5m0zir/money-claim-online-How-to-Acknowledge.pdf?dl=0

Normally, we would advise not to use the MCOL to submit a defence due to some limitations with character count and formatting. However, due to recent systemic failures within the CNBC with defences submitted by email, we are changing tactics. I will know later tomorrow and certainly by Wednesday on the format and wording to use to submit your defence using the MCOL.

Please do not put anything in the defence box until I get back to you by Wednesday. Please remind me if I haven't responded with the defence which will need to be copied and pasted into the MCOL defence text box.

Thanks b789 for your help and support.
Will wait for your reply.

OK, here is the defence that you should copy and paste, as is, into the defence text box on MCOL:

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1. The Defendant denies the claim in its entirety. The Defendant
asserts that there is no liability to the Claimant and that no
debt is owed. The claim is without merit and does not adequately
disclose any comprehensible cause of action.

2. There is a lack of precise detail in the Particulars of Claim
(PoC) in respect of the factual and legal allegations made
against the Defendant such that the PoC do not adequately comply
with CPR 16.4.

3. The Defendant is unable to plead properly to the PoC because:

(a) The contract referred to is not detailed or attached to the
PoC in accordance with CPR PD 16.7.3(1);

(b) The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause
(or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or
contracts) which is/are relied on;

(c) The PoC do not adequately set out the reason (or reasons)
why the claimant asserts the defendant has breached the contract
(or contracts);

(d) The PoC do not state with sufficient particularity exactly
where the breach occurred, the exact time when the breach
occurred and how long it is alleged that the vehicle was parked
before the parking charge was allegedly incurred;

(e) The PoC do not state precisely how the sum claimed is
calculated, including the basis for any statutory interest,
damages, or other charges;

(f) The PoC do not state what proportion of the claim is the
parking charge and what proportion is damages;

(g) The PoC do not provide clarity on whether the Defendant is
sued as the driver or the keeper of the vehicle, as the claimant
cannot plead alternative causes of action without specificity.

4. The Defendant submits that courts have previously struck out
similar claims of their own initiative for failure to adequately
comply with CPR 16.4, particularly where the Particulars of
Claim failed to specify the contractual terms relied upon or
explain the alleged breach with sufficient clarity.
In comparable cases involving modest sums, judges have found
that requiring further case management steps would be
disproportionate and contrary to the overriding objective.
Accordingly, strike-out was deemed appropriate. The Defendant
submits that the same reasoning applies in this case and invites
the court to adopt a similar approach by striking out the claim
due to the Claimant’s failure to adequately comply with
CPR 16.4, rather than permitting an amendment. The Defendant
proposes that the following Order be made:

Draft Order:

Of the Court's own initiative and upon reading the particulars
of claim and the defence.

AND the court being of the view that the particulars of claim
do not adequately comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a) because:
(a) they do not set out the exact wording of the clause
(or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract which
is (or are) relied on; and
(b) they do not adequately set out the reason (or reasons) why
the claimant asserts that the defendant was in breach of
contract.

AND the claimant could have complied with CPR 16.4(1)(a) had it
served separate detailed particulars of claim, as it could have
done pursuant to CPR PD 7C.5.2(2), but chose not to do so.

AND upon the claim being for a very modest sum such that the
court considers it disproportionate and not in accordance with
the overriding objective to allot to this case any further share
of the court's resources by ordering further particulars of
claim and a further defence, each followed by further referrals
to the judge for case management.

ORDER:
1. The claim is struck out.
2. Permission to either party to apply to set aside, vary or
stay this order by application on notice, which must be filed at
this Court not more than 5 days after service of this order,
failing which no such application may be made.

The formatting should remain, more or less, as you see it as it is limited to a max of 65 characters per line and is less than 122 lines.

If you can, and it would assist us greatly, take some screen shots of the defence as it appears on your screen just before and after you submit it.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain