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jays86

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UK Car Park Management PCN
« on: March 13, 2025, 06:49:16 pm »
Hi
Received the below through the post today. The pictures are of my vehicle outside my own house, the vehicle had a permit displayed. Happy to fight this all the way. Would the suggested response be about the notice not being compliant, or the fact that a permit was displayed?


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Re: UK Car Park Management PCN
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2025, 07:14:28 pm »
Others will come along and provide usual advice the NTK is almost identical to the one that was recently received and was advised to appeal on the basis it is not compliant. They will turn down the appeal. There should be signs if you enter you PCN number in their site.

I would add there is no point in appealing to IAS you have more chance of winning the lottery. You will probably go to the limit of civil court in order to resolve this with the assistance of this forum.

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Re: UK Car Park Management PCN
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2025, 07:35:58 pm »
You mention that a permit was displayed - are you sure? The images from CPM show an empty windscreen


You mention this being a residential case - as a starting point, can you tell us exactly what your lease says about parking?

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Re: UK Car Park Management PCN
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2025, 07:53:24 pm »
 ??? Not sure why the permit isn't visible in their picture.

Don't have a lease, I'm a freeholder. Is there any other information I should be looking for?

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Re: UK Car Park Management PCN
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2025, 08:48:51 pm »
Lease, deeds, whatever. You will have something that mentions parking at your property. What it doesn't say about parking is equally important.

So, before we can advise properly, you need to let us know the terms of your lease/deeds or whatever says about your parking rights and whether any third party can override your supremacy of contract.

Yes, the NtK is not fully compliant with all the requirements of PoFA which means that they cannot transfer liability to you from the unknown driver.
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Re: UK Car Park Management PCN
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2025, 10:06:48 pm »
I'll see what I can dig out. Given I've lived here since 2016 and there's been a permit in the car since it was purchased what are the chances that these shysters have edited the photos?

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Re: UK Car Park Management PCN
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2025, 10:20:00 pm »
I doubt they doctored the photos but you need to know whether you've are required to show a permit at all. In the majority of residential parking cases, the operator does not have a valid contract to issue PCNs at the location. Someone at the management company thought they could introduce a third part, unregulated private parking company, stick up some signs and start issuing PCNs without taking into account the legal ramifications of this.

If your lease/deeds make no mention of a requirement to display a permit or that a third party with nothing to do with the lease can simply issue speculative invoices for parking on land that you have demised right to park on, then they are operating unlawfully and can be challenged in court. Neither the management company nor the landlord can simply change the terms of a lease without going through the proper legal channels and complying with the Landlord and Tenant Act 1987.
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Re: UK Car Park Management PCN
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2025, 10:25:40 pm »
Personally I'd park any argument that a permit was displayed. As unscrupulous as these firms are - they're already making enough money to not have any need to hire someone to convincingly doctor images (not the mention the entirely unnecessary legal risk they would be taking doing so).

Absent any evidence of foul play, or evidence to counter theirs, I think you'd face an uphill battle to argue a permit was displayed, and doing so might come at the expense of focusing on arguments with a higher likelihood of success.