Author Topic: PCN from PCM Ltd in North London. Can I challenge?  (Read 2915 times)

0 Members and 1058 Guests are viewing this topic.

Re: PCN from PCM Ltd in North London. Can I challenge?
« Reply #15 on: »
OK... here is what you do now. You should send the following complaint to the DVLA.

Hello again and thank you for all your help thus far.

I received this email from DVLA yesterday, i believe it states they have reasonable cause to request the data, please see below.




Re: PCN from PCM Ltd in North London. Can I challenge?
« Reply #16 on: »
Given the content of that response, a Step 2 escalation is warranted in order to challenge their interpretation of "reasonable cause" and their failure to address the key issues raised regarding data minimisation, KADOE misuse, and non-compliance with the Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP).

I suggest a response as follows:

Quote
FORMAL COMPLAINT – STEP 2 ESCALATION

Misuse of DVLA Keeper Data by Parking Control Management (UK) Ltd (PCM)

To: DVLA Data Assurance Team – Step 2 Complaints

[Insert Date]

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am writing to escalate my formal complaint regarding the improper KADOE data request made by Parking Control Management (UK) Ltd (PCM), which was inadequately addressed in your Step 1 response dated [insert date].

Summary of Step 1 Response

Your reply, signed by Mrs L J Mallabum, claims that PCM had "reasonable cause" to request my data because I did not identify the driver in my appeal, and that Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) does not prevent access to DVLA data if the operator decides to pursue under the pre-PoFA common law position.

With respect, this reply fails to address the crux of my complaint: PCM already possessed the very same keeper data they subsequently requested from the DVLA, which means the KADOE access served no necessary or proportionate purpose. This is not a question of PoFA compliance, but of unlawful duplicate data acquisition contrary to both:

• the KADOE Contract, which only permits data requests when “necessary for the purpose of enforcing an unpaid parking charge,” and
• the UK General Data Protection Regulation (UK GDPR), Article 5(1)(c), which mandates the principle of data minimisation.

Misrepresentation of Appeal Rights

Your response accepts PCM’s explanation that only the driver could appeal following a Notice to Driver (NtD). This is incorrect and misrepresents the position under both the BPA/IPC Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP) and prior BPA/IPC guidance. A representation made by a registered keeper is a valid appeal, and an ATA member must consider it fairly.

It is concerning that the DVLA accepts as “reasonable cause” a request for personal data based on a process that was itself unfair, obstructive, and non-compliant. PCM’s refusal to consider a valid appeal submitted by the registered keeper does not give rise to a legitimate need to request the same keeper data already held.

No Enforcement Purpose Satisfied

Your reply focuses on the theoretical right of an operator to pursue a charge outside of PoFA if the NtK is not served within 14 days. However, this point is irrelevant because:

1. PCM already had my name and address, willingly provided by me in a valid appeal.
2. There was no enforcement need or lawful basis for a duplicate acquisition of identical data via KADOE.
3. The DVLA’s own contract prohibits data requests unless strict necessity for enforcement is established.

The issuing of a Notice to Keeper to a party who has already submitted all required information voluntarily is not an enforcement activity. It is an administrative duplication used solely to bypass the appeal stage and continue the PCN process, in direct conflict with the expectations of fair processing.

Relief Sought

I respectfully request the following:

1. A proper review of whether PCM’s KADOE request complied with the necessity threshold in the KADOE contract and data minimisation under UK GDPR;
2. Confirmation of whether DVLA agrees that operators may request keeper data even when they already hold that same data, and if so, the legal basis under the UK GDPR;
3. A full explanation as to why DVLA accepts a non-compliant refusal to engage with a keeper appeal as grounds to then access keeper data already provided;
4. Confirmation of whether DVLA will be referring this incident to the Information Commissioner’s Office (ICO) for an independent assessment.

Should this Step 2 response not resolve the matter, I will escalate my concerns to my MP and the ICO, as I believe this situation constitutes a clear misuse of personal data and a breach of statutory obligations.

I would appreciate an acknowledgment of this Step 2 complaint and a timeframe for your full response.

Yours faithfully,

[Full Name]
[Postal Address]
[Email Address]
[Phone Number]
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: PCN from PCM Ltd in North London. Can I challenge?
« Reply #17 on: »
thank you

shall i make a new page1 to the pdf and upload this includeing all the previous contact?  or should this reply just going into the text box they provide on the DVLA site?

Best

Re: PCN from PCM Ltd in North London. Can I challenge?
« Reply #18 on: »
You make a level 2 complaint in the same way as the original but you access it here:

https://contact.dvla.gov.uk/head-of-complaints
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: PCN from PCM Ltd in North London. Can I challenge?
« Reply #19 on: »
You make a level 2 complaint in the same way as the original but you access it here:

https://contact.dvla.gov.uk/head-of-complaints

Thank you for the clarification, escalation sent to DVLA.

Also, this arrived today



Best

Re: PCN from PCM Ltd in North London. Can I challenge?
« Reply #20 on: »
Ignore the reminder.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: PCN from PCM Ltd in North London. Can I challenge?
« Reply #21 on: »
So, some updates:

The level 2 complaint was sent in as advised and an auto reponse was received on 9th April (aiming to priovide response in ten days etc)

then another email from DVLA arrived on 2nd May - attached below (mentioning complexity of the case, requirign more time etc)



then today, this, in the post.






This one is a little threatening, the money is going up and debt collectors are involved.

Naturally getting slightly worried etc, which is, i'm sure the intent.

Any help, clearly, very much appreciated at this point.

Thank you all

Re: PCN from PCM Ltd in North London. Can I challenge?
« Reply #22 on: »
You can safely ignore all debt recovery letters. Debt collectors such as Trace are powerless to do anything except to try and persuade the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree to pay up out of ignorance and fear. Never, ever communicate with a powerless debt collector.

We don’t need to see or know about debt recovery letters and you can shred them and use it as hamster bedding.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
Like Like x 1 View List

Re: PCN from PCM Ltd in North London. Can I challenge?
« Reply #23 on: »
Hi all, it's been a while, as you can see.  We stopped hearing from the collector and now have a "legal" letter

see below

as ever, very grateful for any advice

thank you



Re: PCN from PCM Ltd in North London. Can I challenge?
« Reply #24 on: »
For example, see https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/letter-before-claim-moorside-legal-7650/msg85407/#msg85407

The letter you have received contains the square root of bugger all, really, and needs a response along similar lines.

Re: PCN from PCM Ltd in North London. Can I challenge?
« Reply #25 on: »
Reply by email to help@moorsidelegal.co.uk and CC yourself with the following:

Quote
Subject: Response to your Letter of Claim Ref: [reference number]

Dear Sirs,

Your Letter Before Claim contains insufficient detail of the claim and fails to provide copies of the evidence your client places reliance upon, putting it in clear breach of the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims.

As a supposed firm of solicitors, one would expect you to comply with paragraphs 3.1(a)–(d), 5.1 and 5.2 of the Protocol, and paragraphs 6(a) and 6(c) of the Practice Direction. These provisions exist to facilitate informed discussion and proportionate resolution. You may wish to reacquaint yourselves with them.

The Civil Procedure Rules 1998, Pre-Action Conduct and Protocols (Part 3), require the exchange of sufficient information to understand each other’s position. Part 6 clarifies that this includes disclosure of key documents relevant to the issues in dispute.

Your template letter refers to a “contract” yet encloses none. That omission undermines the only foundation upon which your client’s claim allegedly rests. It is not possible to engage in meaningful pre-litigation dialogue while you decline to furnish the very document you purport to enforce.

I confirm that, once I am in receipt of a Letter Before Claim that complies with para 3.1(a), I shall seek advice and submit a formal response within 30 days, as required. Accordingly, please provide:

1. A copy of the original Notice to Keeper (NtK) and any notice chain relied upon to assert PoFA 2012 liability.

2. A copy of the contract you allege exists between your client and the driver, being an actual photograph of the sign(s) in place on the material date (not a stock image), together with a site plan showing the sign locations.

3. The precise wording of the clause(s) allegedly breached.

4. The written agreement between your client and the landowner evidencing standing/authority to enforce and to litigate.

5. A breakdown of the sums claimed, identifying whether the principal sum is claimed as consideration or damages, and whether the £70 “debt recovery” add-on includes VAT.


I am entitled to this information under paragraphs 6(a) and 6(c) of the Practice Direction, and I require it to meet my own obligation under paragraph 6(b).

If you fail to provide the above, I will treat that as non-compliance with the PAPDC and Pre-Action Conduct and will raise a formal complaint to the SRA regarding your conduct. I reserve the right to place this correspondence before the Court and to seek appropriate sanctions and costs (including, where appropriate, a stay and/or other case management orders).

Until your client complies and provides the requested material, I am unable to respond properly to the alleged claim or to consider my position. It would be premature and a waste of costs and court time to issue proceedings. Should you do so, I will seek immediate case management relief pursuant to paragraph 15(b) of the Practice Direction and an order compelling provision of the above.

Please note, I will not engage with any web portal; I will only respond by email or post.

Yours faithfully,

[Your name]
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain