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Re: PCN Issued whilst web-site down and driver unable to purchase ticket
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Hang on... did you ever receive a Notice to Keeper (NtK)? As long as the appeal was made by the Keeper (or on behalf of the Keeper), then there is no Keeper liability and as long as the driver remains unidentified, there is nothing they can do legally to recover the charge from the Keeper.
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Re: PCN Issued whilst web-site down and driver unable to purchase ticket
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No.

No Notice to Keeper has ever been received.

Shouldn't that come after the appeal to the IAS has been rejected, (which is almost certainly likely from everything I've read about them).

For clarity, the timeline to date is:

PCN issued on 11 Aug 25
I appealed the PCN (on behalf of the RK) on 05 Sep 25
Appeal Response (Rejecting Appeal) received on 18 Sep 25 (addressed to the RK, despite having instructed them that all correspondence was to be sent to me).

The next step is to appeal to the IAS within 28 days of the appeal being rejected by the parking company which I intend to do tomorrow.

Thanks for your on-going assistance.

Regards

O


Re: PCN Issued whilst web-site down and driver unable to purchase ticket
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You say you appealed on behalf of the Keeper... in what capacity?

The operator has now missed the PoFA window for keeper liability. For a windscreen NtD, PoFA Sch 4 para 8 requires a postal NtK to be delivered to the keeper not earlier than day 29 and not later than day 56 after the event.

• Parking event: 11 Aug 2025 (Day 0)
• Earliest lawful NtK delivery: 8 Sep 2025 (Day 28 after; delivery Day 29)
• Latest lawful NtK delivery: 6 Oct 2025 (Day 56)
• No NtK was ever delivered. Today is 14 Oct 2025 (Day 64), so the operator has forfeited the right to transfer liability to the keeper under PoFA.

An appeal/rejection (even if addressed to the RK) does not count as, or extend time for, an NtK. Because “delivered” is the test, the last practical posting date would have been Thu 2 Oct 2025 (allowing two working days’ deemed service to land by Mon 6 Oct).

Conclusion: they can pursue the driver only; keeper liability under PoFA is no longer available.

Use that as the core of your IAS appeal, for what it's worth. Irrespective of the alleged contractual breach is, they cannot hold the Keeper liable for the charge if the driver is no identified.

As the IAS is a kangaroo court and their adjudicators are anonymous liars who pretend that they are qualified solicitors (they aren't), they are very likely to reject the appeal on the legally embarrassing grounds that they think they can infer that the Keeper must be the driver.

If the IAS rejects the appeal, so what? Their decision is not binding on the Keeper and they can try and issue a claim in the county court where they wouldn't stand a chance of winning against the Keeper as log as the driver is not identified.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: PCN Issued whilst web-site down and driver unable to purchase ticket
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You say you appealed on behalf of the Keeper... in what capacity?

Their authorised representative.  I have a properly executed Letter of Authorisation which was included with the original appeal.

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The operator has now missed the PoFA window for keeper liability. For a windscreen NtD, PoFA Sch 4 para 8 requires a postal NtK to be delivered to the keeper not earlier than day 29 and not later than day 56 after the event.

• Parking event: 11 Aug 2025 (Day 0)
• Earliest lawful NtK delivery: 8 Sep 2025 (Day 28 after; delivery Day 29)
• Latest lawful NtK delivery: 6 Oct 2025 (Day 56)
• No NtK was ever delivered. Today is 14 Oct 2025 (Day 64), so the operator has forfeited the right to transfer liability to the keeper under PoFA.

An appeal/rejection (even if addressed to the RK) does not count as, or extend time for, an NtK. Because “delivered” is the test, the last practical posting date would have been Thu 2 Oct 2025 (allowing two working days’ deemed service to land by Mon 6 Oct).

Conclusion: they can pursue the driver only; keeper liability under PoFA is no longer available.

Use that as the core of your IAS appeal, for what it's worth. Irrespective of the alleged contractual breach is, they cannot hold the Keeper liable for the charge if the driver is no identified.

As the IAS is a kangaroo court and their adjudicators are anonymous liars who pretend that they are qualified solicitors (they aren't), they are very likely to reject the appeal on the legally embarrassing grounds that they think they can infer that the Keeper must be the driver.

If the IAS rejects the appeal, so what? Their decision is not binding on the Keeper and they can try and issue a claim in the county court where they wouldn't stand a chance of winning against the Keeper as log as the driver is not identified.

Thank you for your continued assistance.

For the sake of continuity and in the name of completeness, I'll post further updates as they occur.

Thanks again.

Regards

O
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