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F1RST Parking PCN – LATE PAYMENT – BEWL WATER
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Hello all :)
The registered keeper received attached PCN. The driver entered the car park on 12:39 on 15/06 and parked. And paid for the parking in the by 17:36 for the whole day, parking app receipt available. The driver does not remember whether the signage mentioned pay on arrival. Is there any way to defend this? I'm really gutted that, despite paying for the whole day's parking, I now need to pay again.

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Re: F1RST Parking PCN – LATE PAYMENT – BEWL WATER
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Do not identify the driver. They only know the identity of the registered Keeper. They cannot transfer liability from the unknown (to them. unless you blab it) driver to the known Keeper.

Southern Water operates Bewl Water as a strategic water resource for East Sussex and Kent. This places the site under statutory regulation for water safety, infrastructure, and environmental protection.

The reservoir is subject to reservoir safety legislation, including the Reservoirs Act 1975, which imposes duties on the undertaker regarding inspection, maintenance, and emergency planning. While the leisure and parking operations are run by Salomons UK Ltd, a private company, the underlying land remains part of a statutory utility asset.

Because the land is governed by a specific statutory Act and is part of a statutory water undertaking, it is not “relevant land” under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. This means that keeper liability for private parking charges cannot be enforced under PoFA at this location.

if the unknown driver is not identified, they cannot transfer liability for the charge from the unknown driver to the known keeper.

Use the following as your appeal. No need to embellish or remove anything from it:

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Appeal to First Parking – Re: PCN [Insert Reference Number]

I am appealing as the registered keeper of the vehicle in relation to the above Parking Charge Notice (PCN) issued at Bewl Water, TN3 8JH.

Your Notice to Keeper (NtK) purports to rely on Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) to hold the keeper liable. This is entirely without merit.

Bewl Water is not ‘relevant land’ under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. The site is governed by the Medway Water (Bewl Bridge Reservoir) Act 1968—a statutory provision within the meaning of Paragraph 3(4)—and is therefore subject to statutory control as defined in Paragraph 3(3). This excludes the land from the scope of PoFA, and as such, no keeper liability can arise.

Your attempt to invoke keeper liability is therefore legally flawed. The NtK fails not only on technical compliance but on the fundamental point that PoFA does not apply at all to this location.

There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. First Parking has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. First Parking have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.

Come back when they reject the appeal and you can try your luck at explaining it all to a POPLA assessor, who will at least have to read it and consider their response.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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Great, thank you so much for your time.

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Hi
Received the attached response to the appeal

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Feel free to ignore completely, you already told them the driver wouldn’t be identified in your appeal.

It’s not the response to your appeal, it’s just a fishing exercise to try and get you to identify the driver.
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Re: F1RST Parking PCN – LATE PAYMENT – BEWL WATER
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Cool, thank you

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Hi  :)
Received this letter.
Any advice on how to proceed would be great
Thanks a lot in advance for your time

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They rejected your appeal because these companies always do. They only want your money. Note that they completely ignored your primary appeal point.

So you appeal to POPLA in the next 30-something days. No hurry. You spell out the reason why you, the registered keeper, can not be held liable for the actions of the driver because F1rst Parking can not use PoFA 2012 because the land in which the car was parked is not ‘relevant land’ for its purposes. Search the forum for similar appeals.

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Thank you for your response, could you take a look at the below draft,

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PCN Reference: [Insert PCN number]
Vehicle Registration: [Insert registration]
Appellant: Registered Keeper


1. No Keeper Liability – Bewl Water is Not Relevant Land Under PoFA 2012
The operator’s Notice to Keeper (NtK) purports to rely on Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (“PoFA”) to transfer liability for an alleged parking charge from the driver to the keeper. This is legally impossible in this case.

Paragraph 3(1) & 3(3) of Schedule 4 PoFA defines “relevant land” and excludes any land which is subject to statutory control.

Bewl Water is governed by the Medway Water (Bewl Bridge Reservoir) Act 1968 and forms part of a statutory water undertaking operated by Southern Water, subject to statutory regulation under the Reservoirs Act 1975 and other statutory provisions.

Therefore, Bewl Water is not “relevant land” for the purposes of PoFA. This is not an assertion—it is a matter of statutory fact.

Because the land is excluded from the definition of “relevant land,” the keeper cannot be held liable for any parking charge incurred by the driver.

The operator’s NtK is therefore fundamentally flawed in law. POPLA is bound to allow an appeal where keeper liability is not established and the operator has failed to identify the driver.

2. No Evidence of Driver Identity
The operator has been informed that the driver will not be identified. There is no legal presumption in law that the keeper is the driver, and the operator has no evidence to the contrary.

Without PoFA applicability, only the driver can be pursued, and the operator has chosen not to (or cannot) prove who that was. Therefore, liability cannot transfer to me as the keeper.

I respectfully request that POPLA uphold this appeal and direct the operator to cancel the PCN.

Signed
[Your Name]
Registered Keeper

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You are not sending a letter. You will complete their webform. You can try and find a copy of the relevant byelaws and lead the assessor by the nose to them. Simply stating what you have, the operator will just say that the by-laws only apply to the reservoir itself. You need to make it clear that the byelaws apply to all the land around the reservoir that is owned/operated by Southern Water, including the car park.


Also, you can throw in a requirement that puts the operator to strict proof that they hold a valid contract flowing from the landowner that permits them to issue PCNs in their own name.

A search of the forum will uncover some recent POPLA appeals that have the text you can use with references to the PPSCoP etc.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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Cool, thank you