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Hello to All,

On 27.03.25 my partner and I drove into a car park, looking at parking options. After driving around and pulling into a parking bay, my partner started feeling ill, so without either of us leaving the car, we left seven minutes after entering the car park. On 1.04.25 a parking charge notice was issued by Parking Eye for the sum of £100, discounted to £60 if paid within 14 days of the date issued. The PCN (below - hopefully!) shows pictures of the car entering and leaving the car park.

Should I just pay, or appeal to their better nature? Thank you for reading.



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Re: Parking Eye PCN 7 minutes
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Show the back of the Notice to Keeper (NtK).
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Parking Eye PCN 7 minutes
« Reply #2 on: »
Thanks, and here it is plus some signage.










Re: Parking Eye PCN 7 minutes
« Reply #3 on: »
7 minutes to drive in, find a space, exit the car, find and read terms and conditions, decide you don’t want to accept the contract on offer, go back to your car and exit the car park takes more than 5 minutes.

I would be appealing as keeper saying the driver arrived at the car park, located the Ts&Cs, read and digested them and decided they didn’t want to be bound by them so left the car park immediately

As no contract was entered into the pcn must be cancelled

Re: Parking Eye PCN 7 minutes
« Reply #4 on: »
So, the allegation is "By either not purchasing the appropriate parking time or by remaining at the car park for longer than permitted, in accordance with the terms and conditions set out in the signage, the Parking Charge is now payable to Parkingeye Ltd (as the Creditor)."

That hotel went bust last year. Depending on who ParkingEye's contract is with, it may no longer be valid. It won't win at an initial appeal but may be worth going for a POPLA appeal.

Initial appeal should be simple because it is never accepted. Here is a draft for one:

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I am the registered keeper of the vehicle referenced in your Notice to Keeper.

I am appealing this Parking Charge Notice on the following grounds:

• Your Notice to Keeper is not fully compliant with the requirements of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, specifically Paragraph 9(2)(e)(i), as it fails to include the mandatory invitation required by statute. Therefore, liability cannot be transferred to the keeper.

• You are put to strict proof that you hold a valid, current contract flowing from the landowner granting you the necessary authority to issue and pursue parking charges at the location in question. Given that the hotel at the site has been closed for several years, you are required to demonstrate that your authority remains lawfully derived and enforceable.

I expect this charge to be cancelled. If you reject this appeal, please issue a POPLA code so that I may escalate the matter.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Parking Eye PCN 7 minutes
« Reply #5 on: »
7 minutes to drive in, find a space, exit the car, find and read terms and conditions, decide you don’t want to accept the contract on offer, go back to your car and exit the car park takes more than 5 minutes.

I would be appealing as keeper saying the driver arrived at the car park, located the Ts&Cs, read and digested them and decided they didn’t want to be bound by them so left the car park immediately

As no contract was entered into the pcn must be cancelled

Unless the car park has more than 500 spaces, the consideration period won't be more than 5 minutes. It is still an arguable point at court if it were ever to get that far (unlikely).
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Parking Eye PCN 7 minutes
« Reply #6 on: »
@b789 Your advice and additional research are greatly appreciated, thank you very much. I had imagined that any human aspect of mitigation or the fact that we hadn't got out of the car in our 7 minute visit would be met with glee and derision by the Parking Company, so I will follow your advice, and thank you again.

Re: Parking Eye PCN 7 minutes
« Reply #7 on: »
A successful initial appeal to the operator is as rare as hens teeth.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Parking Eye PCN 7 minutes
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@b789 I sent an appeal to Parkingeye the day before the 14 day discounted period ended (13th April?), having copied your draft verbatim (thank you again).

I have today received the copied email, which doesn't address either of the salient points. Do you have any thoughts please? I hadn't mentioned who was driving.

"Dear Sir / Madam,
Thank you for your correspondence in relation to the Parking Charge incurred on 27
March 2025 at 15:11, at Poole Quay Hotel (1) car park.
We are writing to advise you that your recent appeal has been referred for further
information.
You have stated that you were not the driver of the vehicle at the date and time of the
breach of the terms and conditions of the car park, but you have not indicated who was.
You have already been notified that under section 9(2)(b) of schedule 4 of the Protection
of Freedoms Act 2012 that the driver of the motor vehicle is required to pay this parking
charge in full. As we do not know the driver’s name or current postal address, if you were
not the driver at the time, you should tell us the full name and the current postal
address of the driver.
You are warned that if, after 29 days from the Date of Issue, the parking charge has not
been paid in full and we do not know both the name and current address of the driver, we
have the right to recover any unpaid part of the parking charge from you, the registered
keeper. This warning is given to you under paragraph 9(2)(f) of schedule 4 of the
Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 and is subject to our complying with the applicable
conditions under schedule 4 of that Act.
Please note, if you have made or wish to make an appeal on behalf of the driver, and you
do not provide the full name and current postal address of the driver, Parkingeye will be
obliged to deal with the representations made in your name.
Parkingeye have placed this charge on hold for 28 days to enable you to provide the
evidence requested. If this information is not provided within 28 days, the appeal may well
be rejected and a POPLA code provided."

The final paragraph goes on to explain how to pay. Thanks.

Re: Parking Eye PCN 7 minutes
« Reply #9 on: »
ParkingEye’s reply is just a generic template trying to get you to name the driver, which you’re not required to do. Unless there’s a clear tactical reason for naming the driver (and in this case there isn’t), it’s advised not to, especially when their NtK isn’t PoFA compliant.

Here’s a short follow-up you can send to keep the pressure on and move things towards either a cancellation or a POPLA code:

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Subject: Re: PCN Ref [Insert Reference Number] – Response to Appeal Holding Letter

Dear Sir or Madam,

Thank you for your letter dated [insert date of ParkingEye's letter].

For the avoidance of doubt, I am the registered keeper of the vehicle, and I am under no legal obligation to name the driver. Furthermore, you have not addressed the substantive grounds of my appeal, which included:

Your Notice to Keeper fails to comply with the mandatory wording required by Paragraph 9(2)(e)(i) of Schedule 4 to the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. It does not include a statement inviting the keeper to pay the unpaid parking charge, which is a statutory requirement for keeper liability to arise.

You are put to strict proof that you hold a valid and current contract with a party with sufficient interest in the land (i.e. the landowner) that authorises you to issue and pursue parking charges at this location. Given that the Poole Quay Hotel has been closed for some time, there is serious doubt as to whether any such contract remains enforceable or even exists.

As your Notice to Keeper is not PoFA-compliant, you cannot invoke keeper liability, and therefore, this charge has no basis in law against me as the registered keeper. Please either cancel the charge or issue a POPLA code so I may escalate the matter.

Yours faithfully,

[Full Name]
Registered Keeper
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Parking Eye PCN 7 minutes
« Reply #10 on: »
@b789 Another fantastic reply, thank you. I'll follow this up as suggested.

Re: Parking Eye PCN 7 minutes
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@b789  I've just received a reply to your above draft, having added that due to sudden illness, no-one actually left the vehicle, and we therefore left after 7 minutes.

Their following reply (below) doesn't address the question about their legal right to enforce parking on this land, since the closure of the hotel, whilst saying this is the final shot at their internal appeal procedure. Is this worth pursuing, or am I as well just to pay the currently discounted rip off?:-

"15 May 2025Reference: Parking Charge Notice - 188444/090003POPLA Ref: 
Dear Sir / Madam, Thank you for your appeal in relation to the Parking Charge incurred on 27 March 2025 at 15:11, at Poole Quay Hotel (1) car park.We  have  reviewed  the  details  outlined  in  your  appeal,  but  we  are  not  in  receipt  of sufficient  evidence  to  confirm  that  the  terms  and  conditions  were  not  breached.  Our records confirm that no parking was purchased on the date of the parking event, despite there being payment methods available. We are writing to advise you that your recent appeal has been unsuccessful and that you have now reached the end of our internal appeals procedure. If  you  wish  to  have  your  case  independently  assessed,  please  be  advised,  there  is  an independent appeals service (POPLA) which is available to motorists who have had an appeal rejected by a British Parking Association Approved Operator. Contact information and further information can be found enclosed. See also www.popla.co.uk By law we are also required to inform you that Ombudsman Services (www.ombudsman-services.org/) provides an alternative dispute resolution service that would be competent to deal with your appeal. However, we have not chosen to participate in their alternative dispute  resolution  service.  As  such  should  you  wish  to  appeal  then  you  must  do  so  to POPLA, as explained above.Please  note,  if  the  Parking  Charge  was  issued  in  Scotland/Northern  Ireland,  only  the driver can appeal to POPLA (Parking on Private Land Appeals). As a gesture of goodwill, we have extended the discount period for a further 14 days from the date of this correspondence. If you appeal to POPLA, you will not be able to pay the discounted amount in settlement of the Parking Charge, and the full value of the charge will  be  outstanding.  In  addition,  if  your  appeal  to  POPLA  is  unsuccessful,  you  will  no longer be able to pay the discounted amount and the full value of the charge will be due.A  payment  can  be  made  by  telephoning  0330  555  4444,  by  visiting www.parkingeye.co.uk/payments  or  alternatively  by  posting  a  cheque/postal  order  to Parkingeye Ltd, PO Box  117, Blyth, NE24 9EJ. Please ensure you write your reference number on the reverse of any cheque/postal order so the payment can be allocated. If  you  have  received  this  correspondence  via  email,  please  allow  24  hours  for  our systems  to  reflect  the  discounted  value  before  making  a  payment  via  our  automated payment line or website."

Thanks for reading.
« Last Edit: May 15, 2025, 02:59:57 pm by DWMB2 »

Re: Parking Eye PCN 7 minutes
« Reply #12 on: »
Reply #4 and Reply #7 above predicted this.
Next step is to construct a POPLA appeal on the salient points.
Parking Eye, along with the rest of them, almost automatically reject appeals even if they’re valid because they know a lot of people then just pay up. Are you one of these?

PS You should probably remove your POPLA code from your quote above if that’s what it is.
« Last Edit: May 15, 2025, 02:36:47 pm by jfollows »

Re: Parking Eye PCN 7 minutes
« Reply #13 on: »
If all you're interested in is the "mugs discount", then pay it.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain