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I have been a member of the local gym for a number of years which is located within a residential development.  You are able to park provided you display a parking permit.  The permit badges changed some time ago and the old and expired one was still stuck to my window.  However, the valid and up to date one was also on display.  UKPC have issued a PCN for displaying an expired/discontinued permit.  Originally I appealed and provided evidence that i had a valid permit and had been parking in the development for years to use the gym.  I commented that the inspector must have missed the new permit on display or perhaps it fell off the windscreen - nonetheless it has been provided and i was able to park there. 

Upon appeal, they have sent a follow up letter saying they still believe the PCN should stand and offered a lower settlement charge of £20.  Although clearly less, this feels like a money grab at the last minute - i have demonstrated that i had a valid permit, it was missed by the inspector but still they want to charge me £20.  They say the appeals process is now concluded so the options are -pay £20 or head to independent adjudicator.  I also said they could check my details with the local gym for further corroboration but they didn't reply on that point.  The risk being that the fine reverts to £100 if appeal is unsuccessful.

Any comments or advice gratefully received.  Thank you.

Owner of Vehicle and Driver the same.   

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Oh dear, I'm assuming that you blabbed the drivers identity in your appeal. As the Registered Keeper, you are under no legal obligation to identify the driver, who is the only liable party. UKPC had no idea who that was unless you told them, inadvertently or otherwise.

Because their Notice to Keeper (NtK) is not fully compliant with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, they cannot hold the Keeper liable. The NtK does not refer to a "period of parking" as required by PoFA 9(2)(a). This could have been quashed at POPLA if the driver has not been identified.

However, do not despair. If you follow the advice, you won't be paying a penny to UKPC. It just means that this will now be a protracted affair and will only conclude in about 9-12 months after they have issued a county court claim and with our defence, will either be struck out or discontinued.

If the driver has not been identified, then this is easily winnable at POPLA. So, has the driver been identified to UKPC? For example, "I did this or that" instead of "the driver did this or that"?
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

...or perhaps it fell off the windscreen
That is never something to say.  I would expect they have taken a photo of the windscreen - but they may have only taken a close up of the invalid permit and 'accidentally' not included any valid one...  A Subject Access Request for all photos might be worthwhile.

I also said they could check my details with the local gym for further corroboration but they didn't reply on that point.
Of course they won't - they aren't interested in such effort that would see them receive nothing!  In fact, you should be turning it around and getting the gym to tell them to cancel it.  (However, you might find the gym won't be interested either, possibly saying it's nothing to do with them!)

The risk being that the fine reverts to £100 if appeal is unsuccessful.
It's likely that POPLA won't assist you and the charge (not fine) will revert.  As noted, this is potentially winnable but does require some effort.

It's quite unusual for them to offer £20 (which is normally reserved for 'major keying errors') - they are seemingly aware that you were allowed to park there and perhaps just hoping you'll send them £20 to 'go away'.  Only you can decide whether it's worth £20 to bring immediate closure with minimal effort.

Unfortunately, it will eventually turn into a robo-claim for over £250.

Thank you to all the advice here.  Inadvertently the initial response referred to 'I' as I am the gym member so i've fallen at that hurdle. 

However, I'm pleased to see that I still have good grounds to appeal this all the way.  The middle stage was that they asked for a copy of the parking permit which was provided.  Then instead of that being the end of it, they wrote back with the £20 settlement offer. 

Surely it either is or isn't an offence.  I thought that by providing evidence of the permit to park, that would and should have been the end of it.

Many thanks again. Much appreciated. 


An offence is the commitment of a crime.

This is about extracting as much money as possible from gullible people.

Not the same thing.

You have been advised, that if you follow the advice given here, you will not pay a penny to UKPC. You can either waste your £20 and pay into the scam, those becoming a part of the problem rather than the solution or you can go through the motions of ignoring the debt collectors, defending the claim and the satisfaction of a discontinuance or a strike out, all the while learning a valuable life lesson.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain