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Re: Parked in a permit area without displaying a permit
« Reply #60 on: »
If they have sent you a DRA letter whilst your appeal is still being considered by POPLA then they are in breach of the PPSCoP which warrants a formal complaint to the operator, the BPA and the DVLA.

PPSCoP section 8.4.7 states:

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Where the driver, keeper or hirer lodges an appeal with the relevant Appeals Service, enforcement proceedings and/or debt resolution must either not
commence or, where commenced, must be suspended until the Appeals Service determines the appeal.

A breach of the PPSCoP is a breach of the KADOE contract and the DVLA, as the data controller, is bound to investigate any reported breach and act accordingly.
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Re: Parked in a permit area without displaying a permit
« Reply #61 on: »
No they haven’t, my POPLA appeal wasn’t successful.

Re: Parked in a permit area without displaying a permit
« Reply #62 on: »
Ah, never mind. I hadn't read back through the whole thread. Just continue to ignore all DRA letters. When you receive a Letter of Claim (LoC), most likely from DCB Legal (not DCBL), then come back and we'll advise on the next step.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Parked in a permit area without displaying a permit
« Reply #63 on: »
Will do, thanks!

Re: Parked in a permit area without displaying a permit
« Reply #64 on: »
Hi guys,

I have been ignoring the letters from DCBL. The latest one I have received is a ‘notice of intended legal action’
It states I can avoid legal action if paid today.

Is this the letter you told me to look out for, or should I bin this one too?

Thanks.

Re: Parked in a permit area without displaying a permit
« Reply #65 on: »
Show it to us, but it’s very likely it’s from DCB Legal instead of DCBL, who are related but different companies.

Letter of Claim?
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Re: Parked in a permit area without displaying a permit
« Reply #66 on: »
A “notice of intended legal action” from a powerless, bottom dwelling debt collector such as DCBL is nothing but the type of rubbish you have been told to ignore. Anything from a debt collector should be ignored and binned.

When you receive an LoC, which will give you 30 days, not 14 days to pay, then that is probably the LoC. Oh, and it will be titles “Letter of Claim” or “Letter Before Claim” or some such title.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Parked in a permit area without displaying a permit
« Reply #67 on: »
Ah ok. Yes, it will be binned like the other letters. It doesn’t mention anything about LOC. They’ve obviously tried to word it different to make me think it’s important. They really are scumbags!

Re: Parked in a permit area without displaying a permit
« Reply #68 on: »
Hi guys, so I have received today a Letter of Claim from DCB legal. And yes, it states I have 30 days to settle.

What are the next procedures to follow with this please?

Re: Parked in a permit area without displaying a permit
« Reply #69 on: »
Did you not get a response from POPLA after sending the complaint as advised?

Email your response to the LoC to info@dcblegal.co.uk and CC yourself with the following:

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Dear Sirs,

Your Letter Before Claim contains insufficient detail of the claim and fails to provide copies of evidence your client places reliance upon and thus is in complete contravention of the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims.

I am the registered keeper of the vehicle. I am not obliged to identify the driver and I decline to do so. As there is no legal presumption that the keeper of a vehicle was its driver on any particular occasion, your client cannot pursue me as driver as per VCS v Edward (2023) [H0KF6C9C].

Because your letter lacks specificity and breaches the requirements of the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims (paragraphs 3.1(a)-(d), 5.1 and 5.2) as well as the Practice Direction - Pre-Action Conduct (paragraphs 6(a) and 6(c)), you must treat this letter as a formal request for all of the documents/information that the protocol now requires your client to provide. Your client must not issue proceedings without complying with that protocol.

As solicitors you must surely be familiar with the requirements of both the Practice Direction and the Pre-Action Protocol for debt claims and your client, as a serial litigator of debt claims, should likewise be aware of them. As you (and your client) must know, the Practice Direction and Protocol bind all potential litigants, whatever the size or type of the claim. Its express purpose is to assist parties in understanding the claim and their respective positions in relation to it, to enable parties to take stock of their positions and to negotiate a settlement, or at least narrow the issues, without incurring the costs of court proceedings or using up valuable court time. It is embarrassing that a firm of Solicitors are sending a consumer a vague and un-evidenced 'Letter of Claim' in complete ignorance of the pre-existing Practice Direction and the Pre-Action Protocol.

I confirm that, once I am in receipt of a Letter Before Claim that complies with the requirements of para 3.1 (a) of the Pre-Action Protocol, I shall then seek advice and submit a formal response within 30 days, as required by the Protocol. Thus, I require your client to comply with its obligations by sending me the following information/documents:

1. An explanation of the cause of action
2. whether they are pursuing me as driver or keeper
3. whether they are relying on the provisions of Schedule 4 of POFA 2012
4. what the details of the claim are; for how long it is claimed the vehicle was parked, how the monies being claimed arose and have been calculated
5. Is the claim for a contractual breach? If so, what is the date of the agreement? The names of the parties to it and provide to me a copy of that contract.
6. If the claim is for a contractual breach, photographs showing the vehicle was parked in contravention of said contract.
7. Is the claim for trespass? If so, provide details.
8. Provide me a copy of the contract with the landowner under which they assert authority to bring the claim, as required by the BPA/IPC Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP).
9. a plan showing where any signs were displayed
10. Photographs of the signs displayed (size of sign, size of font, height at which displayed) at the time of any alleged contravention.
11. Provide details of the original charge, and detail any interest and administrative or other charges added
12. Am I to understand that the additional £70 represents what is dressed up as a 'Debt Recovery' fee, and if so, is this nett or inclusive of VAT? If the latter, would you kindly explain why I am being asked to pay the operator’s VAT?
13. With regard to the principal alleged PCN sum: Is this damages, or will it be pleaded as consideration for parking?

I am clearly entitled to this information under paragraphs 6(a) and 6(c) of the Practice Direction. I also need it in order to comply with my own obligations under paragraph 6(b).

If your client does not provide me with this information then I put you on notice that I will be relying on the cases of Webb Resolutions Ltd v Waller Needham & Green [2012] EWHC 3529 (Ch), Daejan Investments Limited v The Park West Club Limited (Part 20) Buxton Associates [2003] EWHC 2872, Charles Church Developments Ltd v Stent Foundations Limited & Peter Dann Limited [2007] EWHC 855 in asking the court to impose sanctions on your client and to order a stay of the proceedings, pursuant to paragraphs 13, 15(b) and (c) and 16 of the Practice Direction, as referred to in paragraph 7.2 of the Protocol.

Until your client has complied with its obligations and provided this information, I am unable to respond properly to the alleged claim and to consider my position in relation to it, and it is entirely premature (and a waste of costs and court time) for your client to issue proceedings. Should your client do so, then I will seek an immediate stay pursuant to paragraph 15(b) of the Practice Direction and an order that this information is provided.

Yours faithfully,

[Your name]
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Parked in a permit area without displaying a permit
« Reply #70 on: »
No I didn’t receive a response. The only thing I received from POPLA was a copy of some evidence I requested. Which didn’t turn out as useful as I thought it might.

I will send this email to DCB Legal as instructed. Thanks for your help.


Re: Parked in a permit area without displaying a permit
« Reply #71 on: »
But did you make the formal complaint about the assessors errors as advised?
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Parked in a permit area without displaying a permit
« Reply #72 on: »
Yes, I just sent the whole email that you constructed. Obviously I added the relevant reference numbers to the appeal in etc.

Do you think I should re-send it and then ring up in the week to confirm they have received it?

Re: Parked in a permit area without displaying a permit
« Reply #73 on: »
You should ask them why they have not responded.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Parked in a permit area without displaying a permit
« Reply #74 on: »
I have emailed POPLA and asked why they haven’t responded.

As regards to the LOC. I have sent the reply to the email as you suggested. They sent an automatic response. At the bottom of the email, it said this……

Should you be in receipt of a letter of claim, please visit www.dcblegal.co.uk/response where you will find further information and be able to reply to the form accordingly.

Should I also use this form to respond as well or not? Also, what sort of reply should I expect?

Sorry for all the questions. Thank you for helping me with this matter.