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Re: NtK - Euro Car Parks
« Reply #30 on: »
You have “bit PoFA compliant”, do you mean “not PoFA compliant”?

Yes

Re: NtK - Euro Car Parks
« Reply #31 on: »
Hi everyone,

Could someone please give me any feedback on my defence?

Thanks

Re: NtK - Euro Car Parks
« Reply #32 on: »
Hi,

Apologiesnfor bumping this again, but having not had any advice on the defence I had written I've submitted an AOS to give me more time to get the defence checked.

Is anyone able to have a look over it please? It's just a few replies back. Thanks.

Re: NtK - Euro Car Parks
« Reply #33 on: »
Please could someone cast their eye over the following defence before I submit it online? TIA.

The driver went to view a flat. The landlord told them to park behind building A and said that they were covered by a residents permit. The driver saw the ECP sign but due to how illegible it was and holding the honestly held belief that they were covered by a residents permit parked up, walked round to the flat and when they got no answer called the landlord. Turned out the landlord had given the driver the wrong address. He should have sent the driver to building B which is next door and has it's own car park. The driver left the car park after 14 minutes.

The communications between the landlord and driver were by phone and the landlord is no longer contactable.

An appeal was submitted to the original NtK as follows:

I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. ECP has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. ECP have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.

PoFA paragraph 9(2)(e)(i) has not been complied with. The NtK did not specifically invite the Keeper to pay the charge.

In big bold writing on the front of the NtK it says that payment is to be made within 28 days of issue. Section 8.1.2(e) of the PPSCoP says that the recipient of a notice has 28 days from the date of receipt, not date of issue.

The ECP sign in the car park mentioned is bit PoFA compliant with paragraph 2(2) or 2(3) as they do not adequately bring the charge to the attention of the driver (Ref Beavis case).

I have asked ECP to provide proof that they have a valid contract flowing from the landowner that permits them to issue PCNs at the location. They have failed to do so.

Re: NtK - Euro Car Parks
« Reply #34 on: »
ECP NtKs fail to comply with paragraph 9(2)(e) full stop - I wouldn't specifically mention 9(2)(e)(i) - just say 9(2)(e).
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Re: NtK - Euro Car Parks
« Reply #35 on: »
You’ve still got “bit PoFA compliant”

Re: NtK - Euro Car Parks
« Reply #36 on: »
ECP NtKs fail to comply with paragraph 9(2)(e) full stop - I wouldn't specifically mention 9(2)(e)(i) - just say 9(2)(e).

That's really helpful, thanks. Is there anything else you'd change? Or am I overthinking this? Are they going to give up as soon as they receive any reaosnabt defence?

Re: NtK - Euro Car Parks
« Reply #37 on: »
You’ve still got “bit PoFA compliant”

Appreciate it, but I've already amended that on my draft copy offline. I reposted the original defence from my previous post because I was hoping for a bit more in-depth advice beyond spell checking. But perhaps my defence is already fine! Thanks.

Re: NtK - Euro Car Parks
« Reply #38 on: »
I would start with the non compliant PoFA element since this immediately disqualifies the claim.

Something along the lines of;



That I am the named defendant and I deny any liability in this matter.

That the vehicle driver is not known to the Claimant and there is no legal requirement for me to identify the driver.

That the Claimant has provided no evidence as to who the driver was.

That the Claimant's Notice to Keeper does not comply with Protection of Freedoms Act (2012)(PoFA) and as such liability cannot be transferred myself.

That, in particular, the Claimant's Notice to Keeper does not meet the requirements of PoFA Schedule 4 Paragraph 9(2)(e) - the mandatory wording and two limbed legal choice required by the paragraph is not present on the Claimant's NtK and, as such, total compliance is not achieved.

That this means that there is no legal route to me being liable for the alleged debt.
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Re: NtK - Euro Car Parks
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I would start with the non compliant PoFA element since this immediately disqualifies the claim.

Something along the lines of;



That I am the named defendant and I deny any liability in this matter.

That the vehicle driver is not known to the Claimant and there is no legal requirement for me to identify the driver.

That the Claimant has provided no evidence as to who the driver was.

That the Claimant's Notice to Keeper does not comply with Protection of Freedoms Act (2012)(PoFA) and as such liability cannot be transferred myself.

That, in particular, the Claimant's Notice to Keeper does not meet the requirements of PoFA Schedule 4 Paragraph 9(2)(e) - the mandatory wording and two limbed legal choice required by the paragraph is not present on the Claimant's NtK and, as such, total compliance is not achieved.

That this means that there is no legal route to me being liable for the alleged debt.


That's great, thanks.

So would you remove the part where I give an explanation as to what actually happened on the day with regards to the driver?

And then just go on to highlight my original reply to ECP which covers the other matters?