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Re: NtK - Euro Car Parks
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Okay, I've reread it a few more times and I think I understand now.

They don't invite me to pay it. They say that I'm "liable" if the driver doesn't pay, or say they have a right to "recover" the costs. They don't actually ask me to pay the fine do they?

So this is the crux of their problem and it is this issue that makes it non compliant?

Thanks so much for your help.

Re: NtK - Euro Car Parks
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Please stop referring to it as a "fine". A poxy, ex-clamper, unregulated private parking company is not an 'authority' of any kind that can issue "fines" or "penalties".

It is nothing more than a speculative invoice for an alleged breach of contract by the driver. Do not dignify them with the idea that their PCN is a "fine".

As for the failure to "invite" the Keeper to pay the charge, there can be no implied obligation. They either invite the Keeper to pay or they don't. In this case, they don't.

Many operators include something like this to overcome the issue:

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You are now invited to:

(i) Pay the charge; or
(ii) Provide the drivers name and address for service and pass this notice to them.

They have chosen not to do this.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: NtK - Euro Car Parks
« Reply #17 on: »
IMO, it is certainly arguable that 9(2)(e)(i) has not been complied with in this case.

As for substantial compliance not being sufficient, IMO case law is against this view. But this shouldn't prevent the keeper arguing the 'invitation' point at POPLA. But if this is done, then IMO the reason for its inclusion and the effect of its omission should be referred to.

Re: NtK - Euro Car Parks
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Hi,.I've just realised the POPLA appeals date passed 10 days ago. Am I completely screwed now? What will their next steps be and what can I do in the meantime?

Thanks.

Re: NtK - Euro Car Parks
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You just ignore all the debt recovery letters you are going to receive. Debt collectors are powerless except to try and persuade the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree to pay up out of ignorance and fear.

Eventually, you will receive a Letter of Claim (LoC). When you do, come back and we will advise further.

No one who follows the advice pays a penny to ECP.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: NtK - Euro Car Parks
« Reply #20 on: »
Thanks for all the advice provided this far. I'll be back.
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LoC and HM Courts Claim Form received (ECP)
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Original thread here: https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/ntk-euro-car-parks

TLDR: Euro Car Parks want £100 for parking in their car park for 14 minutes. The driver parked there having been told they were exempt.

Hello, I've now had a LoC and a letter from HM Courts and Tribunals Service. I am sihtting myself if I'm honest and am tempted to just pay the fine, plus interest, plus court costs, which totals nearly three times the original fine. I'm hoping you guys can give me some advice and confidence.

I don't seem to be able to attach images. Below should drop them into this post. If not, a link to the docs is here:










Re: LoC and HM Courts Claim Form received (ECP)
« Reply #22 on: »
If you defend, you either need to submit a defence by 18 May, or an Acknowledgement of Service by 18 May and a defence by 1 June.

Know that DCB Legal usually discontinue cases in the face of a defence.

Search the forum for examples.

Who told you you didn’t need to pay? This needs to be part of your defence.

Can you post the original Notice to Keeper also? This can open more avenues to your defence. It’s no longer visible in your other thread.

Please ask moderators to merge the two threads which cover the same incident. I have requested this for you.
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Re: LoC and HM Courts Claim Form received (ECP)
« Reply #23 on: »
Did you reply to the letter before claim?
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Re: LoC and HM Courts Claim Form received (ECP)
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I replied to the original NtK with an appeal as directed here.

I've not replied to anything since.

Re: LoC and HM Courts Claim Form received (ECP)
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If you defend, you either need to submit a defence by 18 May, or an Acknowledgement of Service by 18 May and a defence by 1 June.

Know that DCB Legal usually discontinue cases in the face of a defence.

Search the forum for examples.

Who told you you didn’t need to pay? This needs to be part of your defence.

Can you post the original Notice to Keeper also? This can open more avenues to your defence. It’s no longer visible in your other thread.

Please ask moderators to merge the two threads which cover the same incident. I have requested this for you.

Thanks for sorting the merge.

The driver was viewing a flat. The Landlord has told the driver to park in that car park. The driver may no longer have contact details for the landlord.

I'll try and find the original NtK now.

Thanks.

Re: NtK - Euro Car Parks
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Re: NtK - Euro Car Parks
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Please could someone cast their eye over the following defence before I submit it online? TIA.

The driver went to view a flat. The landlord told them to park behind building A and said that they were covered by a residents permit. The driver saw the ECP sign but due to how illegible it was and holding the honestly held belief that they were covered by a residents permit parked up, walked round to the flat and when they got no answer called the landlord. Turned out the landlord had given the driver the wrong address. He should have sent the driver to building B which is next door and has it's own car park. The driver left the car park after 14 minutes.

The communications between the landlord and driver were by phone and the landlord is no longer contactable.

An appeal was submitted to the original NtK as follows:

I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. ECP has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. ECP have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.

PoFA paragraph 9(2)(e)(i) has not been complied with. The NtK did not specifically invite the Keeper to pay the charge.

In big bold writing on the front of the NtK it says that payment is to be made within 28 days of issue. Section 8.1.2(e) of the PPSCoP says that the recipient of a notice has 28 days from the date of receipt, not date of issue.

The ECP sign in the car park mentioned is bit PoFA compliant with paragraph 2(2) or 2(3) as they do not adequately bring the charge to the attention of the driver (Ref Beavis case).

I have asked ECP to provide proof that they have a valid contract flowing from the landowner that permits them to issue PCNs at the location. They have failed to do so.


I understand having read other threads that I now need to raise my defence via the money claim website. I've found a step by step guide in another thread which I'll use. Following that I'll probably receive an N180 DQ which I'll ignore and then fill out my own N180 DQ and email it to them. Is that correct?

I can't tell you how much all the support and advice on here is appreciated. I started to panic last night but having read the advice I'm staying calm and staying the course. Eff these guys.

Re: NtK - Euro Car Parks
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Good morning, bumping this in the hope someone can have a look over my defence before I submit it online. Thanks.

Re: NtK - Euro Car Parks
« Reply #29 on: »
You have “bit PoFA compliant”, do you mean “not PoFA compliant”?