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County Claim from received from claimant DCB legal for 3k
« on: December 03, 2024, 07:10:12 pm »
I have today received a County Court claim form, from claimant DCB Legal LTD/ Vehicle control services LTD.
I am looking for advice as there is no way I wish to pay them nearly 3k.


Issued at the rear of 8 10 High Street ( Full address not supplied ) for parking without a permit.

THE CLAIMANTS COSTS;

£1760 being the total of PCNs and damages.
Interest at a rate of 8% per annum pursuant to s.69 of the County Court act 1984 from the date hereof at a daily rate of £.24 until judgment or sooner payment ( MAKES NO SENSE IS THIS 24P OR £24)
Costs and courts fees

Amount claimed : £2410.48
Court Fee : £115
Legal Representatives costs £80
Total Amount £2605.48

I dont remember these tickets and they were also issued during a period of national lockdown, what damages are they referring too ? four years later I receive this letter, i wish to defend this case

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Re: County Claim from received from claimant DCB legal for 3k
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2024, 07:29:10 pm »
Please show us all the Particulars of Claim (PoC), not just the bit you've focussed on.

How many PCNs is this for? What were the circumstances of why the vehicle was parked at the location? Was it residential parking?

What is the issue date of the claim?

We need answers to these questions before we are able to advise fully.

As the claim is issued by DCB Legal, it means that VCS are not too confident of winning this. They usually use ELMS Legal to issue their claims and then bring it all in house. I suspect that the PoC include all the PCNs plus the fake £70 per PCN also added which is an abuse of process and rarely allowed by the courts.

I can guarantee that if you check the dates they claim the PCNs were issued, they are wrong. A PCN cannot be issued the same day as the alleged contravention unless it is a windscreen Notice to Driver (NtD). Postal Notice to Keeper (NtK) can only be issued after the Keepers DVAL data has been requested and it is impossible to get that data the same day.

Also, the interest is not showing how it was calculated and I can guarantee it is incorrect. You would need to know from what date the interest has been calculated for each individual PCN because interest is not chargeable until after each PCN becomes due.

So, Please show us the full PoC and the date the of issue of the claim so that we can begin to provide full advice.
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Re: County Claim from received from claimant DCB legal for 3k
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2024, 07:47:59 pm »
Thank you for your reply, sorry I though I had added everything, I have attached the PoC, the issue date of this claim is the 29 November 2024.

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Re: County Claim from received from claimant DCB legal for 3k
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2024, 08:41:07 pm »
Thank you. Please answer this question: "What were the circumstances of why the vehicle was parked at the location? Was it residential parking?"

With an issue date of 29th November you have until Wednesday 18th December to submit your Acknowledgement of Service (AoS). There is no advantage to delaying the AoS and by submitting it, you then have until 4pm on Thursday 2nd January 2025 to submit your defence.

To submit the AoS, follow the instructions in this PDF:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xvqu3bask5m0zir/money-claim-online-How-to-Acknowledge.pdf?dl=0

When you have done so, let us know and we can consider an appropriate defence. The standard short defence will probably not be sufficient for this case as it is for an amount over £600.
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Re: County Claim from received from claimant DCB legal for 3k
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2024, 09:37:22 pm »
I have now submitted the AOS.

Regarding the location, going off the minimal details given to be I believe this could be in relation to alley way behind a set of shops, which led to a temporary accommodation provided by council during lockdown. Not a car park and not residential parking. 

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Re: County Claim from received from claimant DCB legal for 3k
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2024, 09:43:07 am »
Are you eligible for assistance with court fees? Did you actually receive any of the Parking Charge Notices (PCNs)? Were you aware that you were accumulating these invoices?

Were they PCNs issued a windscreen Notice to Driver (NtD) or postal Notice to Keeper (NtK).
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Re: County Claim from received from claimant DCB legal for 3k
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2024, 10:21:58 am »
I am not eligible at the moment, this is four years back now, believe initially it could have been windscreen ticket.

I have moved 3 times in last four years, I had a letter come through couple weeks back for all of them but had no idea what it in relation to so left it.

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Re: County Claim from received from claimant DCB legal for 3k
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2024, 03:17:26 pm »
Any advice or anyone that can help??

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Re: County Claim from received from claimant DCB legal for 3k
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2024, 04:42:37 pm »
As the PoC are defective, for now I think we need to rely on that technicality. If you are unsure of the location and the PoC fail to identify a location, we need to try and flush out the claimant.

Here is a suggested Defence that would do the job for now:

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IN THE COUNTY COURT
Claim No: [Claim Number]

BETWEEN:

Vehicle Control Services Ltd


Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



DEFENCE


1. The Defendant denies liability for the claim and intends to defend it in full. The Defendant avers that the claim, as pleaded, fails to meet the requirements of CPR 16.4 and Practice Direction 16. The Particulars of Claim (PoC) are vague, lack clarity, and fail to provide the necessary information to enable the Defendant to properly plead a defence.

2. The PoC are insufficiently particularised and do not allow the Defendant to fully understand the case they are required to answer. Specifically:

(a) Failure to Provide the Contract: The Claimant has referred to a contract but has failed to detail it or attach it to the PoC, as required by CPR Practice Direction 16, paragraph 7.5. The Claimant is put to strict proof that the signage in place at the time of the alleged breaches complied with Paragraph 2(3) of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, which requires that adequate notice be given by the display of one or more notices that specify the sum as the charge for unauthorised parking and are sufficient to bring the charge to the notice of drivers who park vehicles on the relevant land.

(b) Failure to Identify Specific Contract Terms: The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the alleged contract that the Claimant relies upon. This omission prevents the Defendant from understanding the basis of the claim.

(c) Failure to Specify the Breach: The PoC merely state "Parked Without Displaying a Valid Ticket/Permit." This is insufficient to explain which term of the alleged contract has been breached and how the Defendant is alleged to have done so.

(d) Failure to Identify the Location and Details of Alleged Breach: The PoC fail to specify with any particularity:

• The exact location of the alleged breach (stating "8 10 High Street" is generic and insufficient).
• The exact time and duration of the alleged parking event that led to the purported breach.

(e) Failure to Properly Set Out Interest Calculations: While the PoC refer to an 8% statutory interest rate under Section 69 of the County Courts Act 1984, they do not provide sufficient information to demonstrate how the total interest figure has been calculated. Each Parking Charge Notice (PCN) would have started accruing interest only after its "due date," which has not been disclosed in the PoC. The Claimant is put to strict proof of how interest for each individual PCN has been calculated from and to what date.

(f) Failure to Provide a Breakdown of the Claimed Amount: The PoC fail to detail:

• What proportion of the claimed amount relates to the parking charges.
• What proportion relates to alleged damages or other costs.

(g) Improper Use of Alternative Causes of Action: The PoC state that the Claimant is suing the Defendant either as the driver or as the keeper of the vehicle. This is contradictory and prejudicial, as the Claimant must know whether they are pursuing the Defendant in their capacity as the driver or the keeper. The Claimant should not be permitted to plead alternative causes of action, as it is for them to make their case clearly.

3. The Defendant respectfully requests the court to strike out the claim under CPR 3.4(2)(a) and (b) on the grounds that the PoC disclose no reasonable grounds for bringing the claim and are an abuse of process.

4. In the alternative, should the court not agree to strike out the claim for the CPR failures as listed, the Defendant has attached to this defence a copy of an order made at another court which the allocating judge ought to make at this stage so that the Defendant can then know and understand the case which he/she/it faces and can then respond properly to the claim.

Statement of truth

I believe that the facts stated in this Defence are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

Signed:


Date:

You will need to also attach the linked Draft Order:

Draft Order for the defence

When you've edited the defence with your full name, claim number you can sign it by simply typing your full name for the signature and also date it. There is nothing to edit in the draft order.

Attach both documents as PDF files to an email addressed to claimresponses.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and CC in yourself. Make sure that the claim number is included in the email subject field. In the body of the email put: "Pease find enclosed the Defence and Draft Order in the matter of Vehicle Control Services Ltd. v [your full name] Claim No.: [claim number]".

That's it for now.

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Re: County Claim from received from claimant DCB legal for 3k
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2024, 08:44:48 pm »
Thank you for your reply and all your help.

I have now sent this over to them. Automatic reply states response within 10 days.

I'm hoping this will be okay considering the Christmas/ new year's period. Reply date is 2 Jan, do you think this will be okay or is there any extra precautions that I could possibly take as well?

Merry Christmas  :)

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Re: County Claim from received from claimant DCB legal for 3k
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2025, 05:51:20 pm »
I have today received the attached reply from HMCTS. Is anyone able to confirm if this is the correct reply in relation to the request to have the order set aside.

I feel like this reply does not make sense to the defense I set out.


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Re: County Claim from received from claimant DCB legal for 3k
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2025, 12:17:54 am »
This is expected. It is a template response telling you that your defence was received and that a copy of it has been served to the claimant.

You are now waiting for a letter from DCB Legal which will tell you that they received a copy of your defence and that their client intends to proceed. They will include a copy of their N180DQ which you simply file.

You are waiting for your own DQ to be sent to you. Having received your own N180 (make sure it is not simply a copy of the claimants N180), do not use the paper form. Ignore all the other forms that came with it. you can discard those. Download your own here and fill it in on your computer. You sign it by simply typing your full name in the signature box.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/673341e779e9143625613543/N180_1124.pdf

Here are the answers to some of the less obvious questions:

• The name of the court is "Civil National Business Centre".

• To be completed by "Your full name" and you are the "Defendant".

• C1: "YES"

• D1: "NO". Reason: "I wish to question the Claimant about their evidence at a hearing in person and to expose omissions and any misleading or incorrect evidence or assertions.
Given the Claimant is a firm who complete cut & paste parking case paperwork for a living, having this case heard solely on papers would appear to put the Claimant at an unfair advantage, especially as they would no doubt prefer the Defendant not to have the opportunity to expose the issues in the Claimants template submissions or speak as the only true witness to events in question
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• F1: Whichever is your nearest county court. Use this to find it: https://www.find-court-tribunal.service.gov.uk/search-option

• F3: "1".

• Sign the form by simply typing your full name for the signature.

When you have completed the form, attach it to a single email addressed to both dq.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and info@dcblegal.co.uk and CC in yourself. Make sure that the claim number is in the subject field of the email.
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