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Layrex9

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Hello there, I was hoping please, for some guidance on a Parkingeye Parking Charge Notice Reminder situation.

On the 18th December 2024, the driver attended an appointment at 3-1-5 Lancaster gym complex. The appointment booked was not in the gym itself, but for a medical appointment in the porch of the building where the medical person rents the room from 3-1-5.

Contrary to the sign, there is no parking terminal in Reception – the parking terminal is inaccessible to non-members – it is beyond the member card-swipe barriers, it cannot be seen from the reception area at all. There was a huge queue and no seating within Reception. The disability can cause collapse, dizziness and nausea, if not seated, so standing in queues is not an option – seating is essential.

Parking requirements: Disabled are required to show the badges to the receptionists, who let them through the barriers into the main body of the building to access the Parking Terminal.

The non-disabled are NOT required to see receptionists, type in reg details or display anything and they can park free for three hours. Only if they are going to be longer than three hours, do they need to use the Parking Terminal.

The Gym complex have said they can cancel tickets on their main carpark but not disabled spaces, as PARKINGEYE have allegedly stopped the 3-1-5 from doing so.

On the 6th January a ‘PCN Reminder’ was received, dated 02/01/2025 (15 days after the parking event), the original PCN was never received. This was the first contact. It said the parking event was on the 18/12/2024 and the Ticket Issued 24/12/2024 – Christmas Eve.

The ticket was appealed on PARKINGEYE’s website, on the basis that it was dated 15 days after the parking event on the 18/12/2024 and asked them to remove the data from their system. At this stage nobody had realised it was a PCN REMINDER and not a PCN Notice. It was appealed on this basis on their website, and rejected. This was the appeal:

"You are therefore, in law, unable to hold the registered keeper of the vehicle liable for the parking charge, as the Notice wasn’t sent within 14 days of the alleged contravention. I suggest that you therefore contact the driver. 

As there is no legal requirement placed on the registered keeper to identify the driver, I will not be doing so."

I respectfully request that this parking charge notice be cancelled and that you remove my personal information from your database(s).  I await your confirmation

They came back and asked for the images of the Disabled Badges, having not addressed the fact that they were late sending out the PCN Reminder - it seemed a bit suspicious. On the 14th February, they rejected it again and referred it to POPLA. I then wrote a letter of complaint and sent it registered post, to both sites, Chorley and Blythe.

They emailed me back, once again swerving the issue but this time they sent a copy of the original PCN, which made reference to the POFA on the back! They gave me until 14/03/2025 to either: Pay £60.00 or go to POPLA. I don't know what to do. I still think it is fishy that they would send out a reminder so early - literally they must have sent it during the first 14 days - is this normal? I thought people normally got 28 days and then a reminder and that is why I think it is odd going after the Keeper when the original PCN was never sent. Seems very odd.

Any help would be so graciously received, I feel like just paying but it seems so very wrong! Thank you


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The reminder notice has no bearing on anything and you should ignore anything to do with that. Also, sending anything by "registered post" is a complete waste of money. If future, all you have to do is send anything first class and get a free "Proof of Posting" certificate from any post office. The letter is then deemed delivered two working days later according to the Interpretation Act 1978.

The 3-1-5 Gym can get a PCN cancelled. They fobbed you off.

Do you or anyone in the vehicle have a blue badge? The set top at the location appears to be set up to catch people out if they cannot access the terminal to be able to input their VRM. Is there any mention on the signs within the car par park, especially by the disabled bays that are readable without having to get out of the vehicle that state that the vehicle VRM must be entered into a terminal?

You state that able bodied visitors to the Gym do not have to enter their VRM for stays of under 3 hours but disabled drivers do have to? That is blatant discrimination under the Equality Act 2010. Are you sure?
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Hello there b789,

Thank you ever so much for responding! Yes I am registered-disabled, I was in the car that day with the disabled badges - they can't see them on the camera - that's no good is it? I can now upload the pictures at the scene - I couldn't earlier as needed to convert them to JPEG.

Yes, unfortunately that is 100% true. The able-bodied only have to enter their details if they stay over 3 hours (and 3-1-5 have told me they can cancel those tickets but that Parkingeye have taken over the disabled spaces and owing to this, cancelling disabled ones are impossible. The parking terminal is inaccessible, it is not in reception at all. It cannot be seen. It is behind swipe-barriers and there is no seating. I can pass out if I stand too long owing to my condition. And I have a receipt saying I spent £450.00 (and a further £200 in cash) at 11.30am that day!

I was worried because I have appealed twice to Parkingeye and complained once by post, been knocked back twice and was concerned that because I had filled in their online forms, that the driver may have contracted with them! I am prepared to fight, and even though I have explained this in my complaint letter, they're having none of it!

In their response (which they emailed) they sent a copy of the original PCN which I never received - why would they send out a Reminder only, 15 days after the parking incident? They're supposed to give 28 days - which is suspicious! I wondered why they would email me the original because it is so obvious that foul play has taken place!

Thank you once again - I have attached the photos of the signs. On entering the carpark, I didn't see any signs either, I was looking specifically for them upon returning, but nothing that I could see on entry.

Many thanks for helping me, I really appreciate this so much!

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I suggest you send the following formal complaint to 3-1-5 Gym as they are jointly and severally liable for the actions of their agent, ParkingEye. Also, read up on this:

https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/equality/equality-act-2010/your-rights-under-equality-act-2010/disability-discrimination

You could even send the formal complaint to 3-1-5 as a Letter Before Claim (LBC).  Given the clear direct and indirect discrimination under the Equality Act 2010, you could seek damages for distress, inconvenience, and injury to feelings.

How Much in Damages? The Vento Guidelines set out compensation levels for discrimination claims. Based on your experience, including:

• Distress and inconvenience caused by the PCN and ParkingEye’s enforcement.
• Humiliation and indignity from being treated differently than able-bodied visitors.
• Impact on your health (i.e., your disability means you risk collapse if forced to stand, and their inaccessible system put you at that risk).

You would likely fall into the Lower Band of Vento (2023 figures, adjusted for inflation in 2025):

• £1,100 – £11,200 (lower band) for one-off or less serious cases of discrimination.
• £11,200 – £33,700 (middle band) for more serious cases of discrimination with ongoing effects.

A reasonable starting figure would be around £3,000–£5,000, given the stress, inconvenience, and breach of your rights. This would reflect:

• The burden of having to challenge the PCN.
• The discriminatory treatment.
• The emotional and practical impact of an inaccessible system.

You could go higher if you feel the discrimination was particularly egregious.

Anyway, here is a simple formal complaint you should send immediately to 3-1-5 Gym:

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The Management
3-1-5 Health Club
Lancaster Business Park, Caton Road
Lancaster, LA1 3PE

Subject: Formal Complaint – ParkingEye’s Discriminatory Practices & 3-1-5 Gym’s Own Direct Disability Discrimination

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am writing to formally raise a complaint regarding the unlawful discrimination that I have suffered as a disabled visitor to 3-1-5 Gym on 18th December 2024, as a result of both ParkingEye’s actions as your agent and 3-1-5 Gym’s own discriminatory policies.

1. Summary of Events

On 18th December 2024, I attended a medical appointment at a business that leases an office within your premises but is located outside the gym’s swipe-barrier-controlled area. As a Blue Badge holder, I was legally entitled to park in a disabled space. However, I have since received an unfair Parking Charge Notice (PCN) from ParkingEye.

Your parking policy discriminates against disabled visitors because:

• Able-bodied visitors can park for three hours for free, without any action required.
• Disabled visitors must register their vehicle using a parking terminal that is not accessible unless they first obtain permission to pass through the gym's swipe barriers.
• The parking terminal is hidden from public view, making it impossible for disabled visitors attending businesses outside the gym to access it.
• There is no seating in Reception, and my disability means I am unable to stand for prolonged periods without risking collapse, dizziness, and nausea.

Your staff have confirmed that PCNs for able-bodied visitors can be cancelled, but that disabled visitors are denied this option because ParkingEye allegedly will not allow it.

2. Direct Discrimination by 3-1-5 Gym (Not Just ParkingEye)

Under the Equality Act 2010, 3-1-5 Gym is legally responsible for ensuring that disabled people are not treated less favourably. Your current parking policy is discriminatory in two key ways:

(a) Direct Discrimination

• Your staff have explicitly confirmed that disabled visitors are treated differently from able-bodied visitors regarding PCN cancellations.
• You provide automatic free parking for able-bodied visitors, but disabled visitors must undertake an extra, unnecessary, and inaccessible process just to park.

(b) Indirect Discrimination

• The requirement for disabled visitors to register their vehicle in an inaccessible area (beyond swipe barriers) is an unreasonable and avoidable burden.
• The lack of seating in Reception means that disabled visitors cannot queue safely.

3. 3-1-5 Gym’s Liability – Joint and Several Responsibility for ParkingEye’s Conduct

• ParkingEye is acting as your agent, and you remain jointly and severally liable for their actions.
• You have chosen to implement a system that disproportionately affects disabled visitors.
• You cannot delegate your legal obligations under the Equality Act 2010 to a third party.[/indnet]

4. Required Action – Immediate Cancellation of the PCN and Policy Reform

To resolve this matter, I require the following actions within 14 days:

1. Immediate cancellation of the PCN issued by ParkingEye.
2. Written confirmation that disabled visitors will not be unfairly penalised in the future.
3. A formal review of your parking system to ensure compliance with the Equality Act 2010, including:

• Relocating the parking terminal to an accessible area.
• Ensuring all disabled visitors are exempt from unfair enforcement measures.
• Staff training on disability rights and legal obligations.

5. Notice of Legal Consequences if Unresolved

If this matter is not resolved within 14 days, I will:

• Include 3-1-5 Gym as a co-defendant in any counterclaim against ParkingEye should they pursue litigation.
• Seek damages under the Equality Act 2010 for distress and inconvenience caused by your unlawful discrimination.

6. Final Opportunity to Resolve This Amicably

I trust that 3-1-5 Gym will take this final opportunity to rectify the discrimination and cancel the PCN. If you wish to discuss this matter further, I am open to dialogue within the response period.

I look forward to your urgent response.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Name]
[Your Contact Information]
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Dear b789,

Thank you every so much for your brilliant letter. I shall get on with it first thing, and I will let you know how I get on.

Please may I just ask a couple of questions? The first being, should I mention that the signs are misleading/incorrect by stating the Parking Terminal is situated in reception, when it is not?

And also, what should I do regarding POPLA? Parkingeye wanted me to pay the reduced rate fine of £60.00 or go to POPLA - the deadline is this Friday, the 14th March? I am uncertain as of what to do?

To be honest, Parkingeye gave me a bit of a roasting when I complained and mentioned it was unfair the disabled. They said they took it all very seriously and are compliant, etc - arguing with me.

Once again, I cannot thank you enough for you help. I must have spent in total well over a fortnight altogether of my time, researching and looking for answers and to be quite honest, panicking as well! Thank you so much - and I shall keep you posted!

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Yes, you can mention the signs.

You shouldn't be talking with ParkingEye or anyone for that matter. All communication should be by email or letters sent as attachments by email.

I'll try and get a POPLA appeal set up tomorrow or Wednesday. The POPLA appeal deadline is actually 33 days from the date of the appeal rejection. The POPLA code will be valid until then,
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Dear b789,

Thank you very much. I am going to do the letter this morning. In the meantime then, should I just get on with that and forget about the appeal for now? Parkingeye's last email to me was on the 5th March, giving me until the 14th March, this Friday.

My thoughts are: when I send the letter today, (and and attachments by email), they will have to once again freeze their pursuit against me?

Thank you again - your help is so much appreciated, I felt I was getting out of my depth!

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Send the letter as a PDF attachment in an email to memberservices@3-1-5.co.uk and CC sean@x-force.co.uk and yourself. Sean Thornton is the director/owner of 3-1-5 Health Club which is wholly owned by X-Force UK Ltd.
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Thank you I will do, I am still working on it, had to go out earlier but back on it now. Thank you so much for all this help!

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Dear b789,

I have done it! It has been sent now, as you recommended. I will let you know when I hear back. Just out of interest, what should I do about POPLA now?

Best wishes, and thank you so much :)

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If I were to do the POPLA appeal tomorrow, now the letter has been sent, the PCN I would be responding to is the Reminder (because the original never came) - is it on that basis that they have no claim - doesn't it have to be after a certain amount of days that they send the NtoK? They rejected it twice, and now I have sent the letter, does that mean any action will be frozen, or should I still appeal just incase?

Thank you once again!

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Apologies, I didn't get back to you in time to put together a POPLA appeal. I have been travelling and your response slipped down the list.

However, that should have no bearing on anything going forwards. POPLA is not a truly independent appeals service, even though they claim to be. They are funded by the BPA members and so, do not like to bite the hand that feeds them.

Have you have any response or acknowledgement to your formal complaint from 3-1-5 Gym? You gave them 14 days to respond. If you've heard nothing back from them by then, let us know and we can progress this to the next stage.
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Dear B789,

Thank you for getting back to me, no worries! I did appeal to POPLA at the eleventh hour (on the 14/03/2025), I haven't heard back as yet. I did however hear back from 3-1-5 last Wednesday and I haven't currently replied. I feel a bit uncertain as to whether to post it on here because it is a bit personal and defensive - is there a chance I may send it to you privately? Also, with it being a privately-owned small business and not a big corporate, I was unsure where I would stand by doing this and whether I could get myself or anyone else into trouble.

Your help is very much appreciated, and I cannot thank you enough on this matter. It has made me, on occasion, sad and anxious.

My very best wishes

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Please don’t try and do things away from the forum, if you need to “redact” personal correspondence then by all means do, but it’s only by having discussion in public that the rest of us get to learn and offer better advice to people like you in future.
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I would need to see the response from 3-1-5 Gym. Interesting that you are feeling sympathy for the landowner that has contracted the scammers that are trying to fleece you.

Please PM me the responses you’ve had. I will let you know what can or should be made public and then you can decide on how you want to deal with this.

Your POPLA appeal is not likely to be responded to for several months. However, if the operator does not withdraw, you should receive an operators evidence pack from POPLA which you will be able to respond to. If/when you receive that, upload it somewhere such as DropBox or Google Files and provide a link.

Make sure that the copy you upload for us to review is suitable redacted of you personal information.

In the meantime, please PM the 3-1-5 Gym response to your formal complaint so that I can advise on how you respond.
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